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Doctor Who: the angels take manhattan

Welsh hero
Gondor


Sep 29 2012, 8:10pm

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Doctor Who: the angels take manhattan Can't Post

That was brilliant..........

but sad Frown

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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 29 2012, 8:14pm

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Wasn't it just! - - Spoilers within [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought it was the end once they had jumped off the building. Then they woke up in the graveyard, and I thought it was going to be okay. And then, *bam*. Zapped back into time.

Definitely a shocker. Full of emotion. A great send off. And what a great end - it wasn't a dream after all!

One little niggle - what about Brian Pond? That needed to be wrapped up somehow.

Frown

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Welsh hero
Gondor


Sep 29 2012, 8:24pm

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Yes, poor brian.

A online mini episode where the Doctor tells him what happened could be filmed, but could make me cry..........

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zarabia
Grey Havens


Sep 30 2012, 12:39am

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Haven't seen it yet so I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm intrigued :) [In reply to] Can't Post

Hurry up, DVD!




DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 30 2012, 9:38am

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Definitely stay away from any spoilers or reviews - much better knowing nothing of the episode / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Greenwood Hobbit
Gondor


Sep 30 2012, 11:09pm

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~whimper~ [In reply to] Can't Post

Just... ~whimper~
Am going off statues rapidly... The programme is so clever - takes something ordinary and everyday that people are used to and don't really think about, and then twists it. Nice one, writers!


One Ringer
Tol Eressea


Oct 1 2012, 1:08pm

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Brilliant, [In reply to] Can't Post

Got to have my cake and eat it, too. That's all I'll say of it. Excellent finale! Smile

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Laitholiel_the_SeaElf
Lorien


Oct 3 2012, 3:08am

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Afraid I'm in the "not so impressed" camp. [In reply to] Can't Post

To me, this episode felt intellectually lazy and a little bit insulting. Don't Amy and Rory deserve a better send off? The opening doesn't mesh with the rest of the episode and the Statue of Liberty making it all the way across town without somebody observing it is just... ugh. Seriously? I've been less than impressed since Moffat took over as show runner, and I'm really at a loss. I was impossibly excited when it was first announced after Davies stepped down and I never would have thought it would have ended up this way. I expected so much more from the man who gave us "The Girl in the Fireplace," "The Empty Child," "The Doctor Dances," "Blink," "Silence in the Library," and "The Forest of the Dead," and I feel pretty let down with his show run so far. I had hoped that after the disastrous usage of the Weeping Angels last season that maybe we would get some angels as creepy as the first ones we saw, but I was let down.

Sorry, Amy and Rory, maybe we'll see you later for a better send off. I can hope, at least.




But you are what you love,
And not what loves you back.
And I'm in love with illusions
So saw me in half.
I'm in love with tricks
So pull another rabbit out your hat.




alienorchid
Lorien


Oct 3 2012, 7:30am

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I agree, actually. [In reply to] Can't Post

I cried, I admit it! I am a latecomer to Doctor Who, I only started watching at the beginning of Matt Smith's first series, so Amy, Rory & The Doctor is my first Doctor/Companion combo, so I'm pretty emotionally attached to them! I also just love the relationship the three of them share.

That's partially why I was so disappointed. The ending wasn't emotionally satisfying, and I felt like they didn't take advantage of the plot devices they had set up, like the PI, the collector guy, and the Statue of Liberty. They were all interesting elements, but just kind of petered off. It seems like Eleven can't do goodbyes as well as Ten could. I don't know, could just be the directing or the writing.

I haven't been happy with this season at all. I feel like there is a big build up in each episode, but the climax just falls flat. Maybe having a new companion will revitalise the show, but I'm not holding my breath.

I will keep watching, but boyfriend and I are going to re-watch some of Ten's series at the same time :)


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 3 2012, 6:40pm

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I agree that the epsiode was quite sloppy [In reply to] Can't Post

And it had more plot holes than a sieve! It should have been 30 minutes longer, just to build up more tension and add more depth to the story. I still loved it though.

In all, I quite enjoyed the series. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship was a let down, but A Town Called Mercy was fantastic.

This is how I'd rank them:

1= Daleks, Angels, Mercy
2 - Power of Three
3 - Dinosaurs

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alienorchid
Lorien


Oct 4 2012, 2:33am

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Power of Three was probably my favourite [In reply to] Can't Post

so far, and not just because it involved Matt Smith's shirt coming off :P (I shamelessly have a huge crush on him, which is very unusual for me. I don't normally get celebrity crushes!)

It was one of the more original plot lines in this series, though I also really liked A Town Called Mercy.

I think Dinosaurs on a Spaceship suffered from the same problem as the Angels Take Manhattan - really awesome elements that they just didn't take advantage of. It *could* have been really awesome, so that missed potential made it kind of disappointing.


Laitholiel_the_SeaElf
Lorien


Oct 4 2012, 6:01pm

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You're right about the interesting pieces. [In reply to] Can't Post

He's still coming up with interesting ideas, but the follow-through has been terrible. Every episode sort of falls apart before the end. The only episode I've truly enjoyed this season was "The Power of Three," and even that one stumbled over the finish line.

I share your skepticism about the show making a come back with a new companion. Amy, Rory, and The Doctor are all acting their hearts out, but at the end of the day it isn't their fault that they can't distract me from all the bad writing and directing. These companions had so much potential, particularly Rory, who, in my opinion, had the largest character arc. And what was poor Rory's reward? No send off of any kind.




But you are what you love,
And not what loves you back.
And I'm in love with illusions
So saw me in half.
I'm in love with tricks
So pull another rabbit out your hat.




Laitholiel_the_SeaElf
Lorien


Oct 4 2012, 6:04pm

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Also, The Statue of Liberty is made of metal, not stone, for crying out loud. [In reply to] Can't Post

But who cares about little details that totally blow apart all the rules, right?




But you are what you love,
And not what loves you back.
And I'm in love with illusions
So saw me in half.
I'm in love with tricks
So pull another rabbit out your hat.




DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 4 2012, 6:15pm

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And there must be a pair of eyes looking at it at all times! It's the Statue of Liberty! / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Arandiel
Grey Havens

Oct 5 2012, 2:01am

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I agree (on both counts!) and (possible spoiler) [In reply to] Can't Post

Brian needs to meet his granddaughter!


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Arandiel
Grey Havens

Oct 5 2012, 2:09am

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Agree about the overuse of angels and [In reply to] Can't Post

a general lack of emotional investment, I've found, in the Moffatt era. Though the fact that

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Rory and Amy end up together for a lifetime, rather than dead, separated, stripped of their memories or otherwise maimed is a vast improvement over the outcomes for any other companions of recent years. I was pleasantly surprised/relieved.


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alienorchid
Lorien


Oct 5 2012, 2:55am

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Good point! Also.. [In reply to] Can't Post

the angel at the end is still being seen by Amy, The Doctor, and River.. but is still able to transport them when they (Amy and Rory) look away from it, so how come the Statue of Liberty angel didn't transport Rory when he looked away, but Amy was still looking at it? I don't know, there's just some continuity stuff that didn't quite work out.

Still, it's not going to stop me from watching it! For a show that's been around for so long, there are always going to be great parts, mediocre parts, and terrible parts. It's inevitable!


alienorchid
Lorien


Oct 5 2012, 3:00am

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I think it would be super amazing [In reply to] Can't Post

if Brian got to have another adventure with just him and the Doctor, where he gets to meet River... and even better, would be if he got to meet Donna's granddad (dad? I can't remember) so they could bond over the mixed feelings of having a loved one being companion to The Doctor. On one hand, they know it's dangerous, on the other they can see how amazing it would be to travel with The Doctor and see all of time and space.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 5 2012, 6:54am

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I thought of this too [In reply to] Can't Post

And the only explanation I could come up with was that the Angel's arm was the bit of it not being viewed by River or the Doctor, allowing it to touch Amy?

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Annael
Half-elven


Oct 5 2012, 3:12pm

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agree with everything you said [In reply to] Can't Post

Moffat goes for overwrought rather than genuine emotion, and I wish he'd left the Angels trapped in that parking garage looking at each other. But I can imagine Rory and Amy back in the past saying "okay, decision made, no more Doctor, let's just LIVE." (And of course they could make a killing in the stock market . . . .)

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Arandiel
Grey Havens

Oct 5 2012, 8:21pm

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Oh - HA! That's right, they could!// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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