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So the Goblin King will be CG?
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Runk Snusgrop
Rivendell


Sep 26 2012, 5:16pm

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So the Goblin King will be CG? Can't Post

I was under the impression I was going to get to see the mighty Barry Humphries hamming it up in a rubber suit with prosthetics all over him. Is he just doing the voice? Perhaps with the same face motion capture thing Benedict Cumberbatch is doing?

That's disappointing. A least a little bit.



Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Sep 26 2012, 5:28pm

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when they announced Humphreys a while ago [In reply to] Can't Post

it was said he would be Mo-Capping the Great Goblin. I love the look of him personally but i think the size might be a bit large IMO. As long as the performance comes thru with the character I'll be fine with it as long as the don't deviate from the book or at least use what he was from the book and add to it accordingly.


Runk Snusgrop
Rivendell


Sep 26 2012, 5:36pm

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when they announced Humphreys a while ago it was said he would be Mo-Capping the Great Goblin.



I must've missed that announcement completely...

Oh well. Thanks for answering. Smile



stoutfiles
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 6:00pm

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I'm sure they won't deviate from the book [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ never does that. Oh wait...

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Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 6:03pm

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??? [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think the book states whether the goblin king is CGI or a man in a rubber suit...

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Sep 26 2012, 6:08pm

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Barry Humphries [In reply to] Can't Post

I predict will steal the show in AUJ.

We are finally getting some villains with a bit of personality in these adaptations!

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grinman
Rivendell


Sep 26 2012, 6:15pm

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contract [In reply to] Can't Post

I heard that due to contractual obligations with the sequel to "Labyrinth", the Goblin King was unavailable for filming.. so, CGI was really the only option.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 6:16pm

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He must do! [In reply to] Can't Post

With the film cut short, Goblin town is the lead up to the climax.

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Runk Snusgrop
Rivendell


Sep 26 2012, 6:21pm

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Oh I couldn't agree more!

Sylvester McCoy is probably the only one on the set who could properly match Humphries in classic style old-man eccentricity. Laugh



(This post was edited by Runk Snusgrop on Sep 26 2012, 6:22pm)


burgahobbit
Rohan


Sep 26 2012, 6:39pm

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I also think the GG will be great [In reply to] Can't Post

I actually kind of like how big he is. Definitely makes him more menacing! And Barry Humphries will do a terrific job at voicing him! Not that I've seen him act before...but although I've only heard him say "Did you see that pile of intestines." I can imagine him voicing that hideous (CGI/Motion Cap) creature very well.


stoutfiles
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 6:40pm

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Tolkien did specify [In reply to] Can't Post

How the Goblin King dies. Needless to say it wasn't like that, and it wasn't comical.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 26 2012, 6:41pm

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I think he'll sound something like his character Bruce in Finding Nemo: [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x9W70LJKVw

@stoutfiles, McKellen talked about the GB scene on his blog and he mentioned that he kills him like in the book.

The way I see it go is that the GB is stabbed with the sword and then instantly dies. The company starts running through Goblin Town and at some point they accidentally/intentionally make parts of the town collapse, causing the GB's corpse to fall down as we see in the trailer.


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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 6:43pm

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That was Barry?! [In reply to] Can't Post

All I can imagine is this voice now for the Goblin king!

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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 6:44pm

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I don't think this is the Goblin King's actual [In reply to] Can't Post

death. I reckon this is after, and falls not because of Gandalf either.

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Bombadil
Half-elven


Sep 26 2012, 6:58pm

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In the last VBlog you see him..in his Mo-Cap suit.. [In reply to] Can't Post

And at his age I don't think he could carry around 80 pounds of Prosthetics.
SO to
allow him the freedom of movement
he HAS to be CGI..

His VoiceOver of of Bruce in " Finding Nemo"
was hilarious!
Bomby


burgahobbit
Rohan


Sep 26 2012, 7:14pm

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I had no idea that Bruce was voiced by Barry either. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I don't think that he'll sound quite like that. Maybe something like that just without the accent. Tongue


flowww
Bree

Sep 26 2012, 8:02pm

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When I see the Goblin King's pic, I just keep hearing... [In reply to] Can't Post

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sycorax82
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 8:09pm

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If you look in the trailer, Gandalf is just getting to his feet [In reply to] Can't Post

So you can guess that he has just jumped/fallen down a moment or two before the Goblin. So there's every chance that Gandalf is directly involved in the Goblin's death. Cool


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Sep 26 2012, 9:12pm

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"So the Goblin King will be CG": Was there ever any doubt after Del Toro left. [In reply to] Can't Post

Rubber suites are out as well as the use of miniatures and bigatures. Computer Generation over Motion Capture all the way.

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TheSexyBeard
Lorien

Sep 26 2012, 10:07pm

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Facial Expresions [In reply to] Can't Post

In the latest video blog you can see Humphries wearing little black markers all over his face so it looks like his own facial expressions will be incorporated in to the Great Goblin, similar to how Serkis' face is Gollum's.

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 26 2012, 10:14pm

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That seems likely [In reply to] Can't Post

Though I like the Goblin King concept art (from the Hobbit annual) much better than the final design. I imagine the final design is due to bringing a greater level of Barry's facial features into it.


Crunchable Birdses
Rohan


Sep 27 2012, 1:03am

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The annual goblin wasn't the GK [In reply to] Can't Post

Nowhere in the annual was it implied that any of those pics were of the Goblin King. I'm 100% sure that annual "Goblin King" was just a fat regular goblin, and accurate to what we'll get in the films.

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 27 2012, 4:57am

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I took another look [In reply to] Can't Post

And you're right.

It was actually Tolkiendrim that posted some of the annual pictures of the goblins, and claimed that the fat one was the Goblin King from a new card game. But that turned out to have been false information.

Thanks for the correction.


Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 27 2012, 7:41am

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In the book [In reply to] Can't Post

the goblin king dies far to quickly and easily. (and I don't think they would want to show a beheading, as it would probably get the film a 12 certificate).

In the scene from the trailer, the goblin king has a sword sticking in his belly, so he was probably already dead before his body falls.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Sep 27 2012, 12:52pm

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the goblin king dies far to quickly and easily. (and I don't think they would want to show a beheading, as it would probably get the film a 12 certificate).

In the scene from the trailer, the goblin king has a sword sticking in his belly, so he was probably already dead before his body falls.



Since I expect the film to get a PG-13 rating from the MPAA, I don't see why it should get less than a 12 certificate in the U.K.. At the same time, I'm guessing that the Goblin King will not be beheaded in AUJ based on the footage revealed in the new trailer.

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