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"I could never read Tolkien. I always found him unreadable." - Billy Connolly talks a bit about Tolkien and 'The Hobbit'.
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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 25 2012, 7:23pm

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Well [In reply to] Can't Post

it depends on the actor, the amount of research they do when preparing for a role and all that...

Regardless I think it's bad form basically to say "I have no interest in the author's writings and still landed a part -- take that plebs."



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(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Sep 25 2012, 7:24pm)


Morthoron
Gondor


Sep 25 2012, 8:13pm

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Taking money for what one despises makes one a... [In reply to] Can't Post

Hmmm...what would the word be I'm looking for? Wink

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imin
Valinor


Sep 25 2012, 9:00pm

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pleb! this word has been causing a certain mp lots of trouble in the UK currently! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Spaldron
Rivendell


Sep 26 2012, 4:35am

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Connolly is a comedian... [In reply to] Can't Post

...first and foremost so yes his words should be taken with a grain of salt.

I'm surprised that no one has brought up his live gig in NZ from a few years back where he had a sly dig at LOTR. It was filmed for his "World Tour of NZ" series but I cant find it on YT. Its around somewhere.

Bottom line is he doesn't like the books but clearly loves the script, end of. Evil

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 26 2012, 4:56am

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How do we know [In reply to] Can't Post

That he clearly loves the script?

Seems like an obvious thing he has to say in order to clarify that his dislike of the books does not translate into a dislike of the movies (or the script). Good PR, that is.

For all we know, he could think it's all rubbish.


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Sep 26 2012, 5:21am

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He likes the scripts. [In reply to] Can't Post

"I mean, the scripts are brilliant, very good," Connolly continued, "but I always disagree with people who think the movie should be like the book. A movie's a movie, and the book's a book." And this movie's going to be great, Connolly promised.

Sounds like he'd fit in here pretty ok.Wink
(except maybe for thinking I'm scary and talk gobbledygook.)


Spaldron
Rivendell


Sep 26 2012, 5:21am

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He said ""I mean, the scripts are brilliant, very good,"here.

"A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities."


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 26 2012, 5:27am

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Aivale Cole was much nicer about it. [In reply to] Can't Post

See question 3 of Earl's interview here: [Link]



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Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Sep 26 2012, 6:28am

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A very lovely woman, [In reply to] Can't Post

but she still called us "LOTR addicts". Crazy
Who, us?Laugh


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 26 2012, 6:42am

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Right, but as he's associated with the production [In reply to] Can't Post

It seems an obvious thing to say right after you disparage the source material. If he were to simply say "I never liked the books" and didn't follow it up with "but the movies (or the scripts)" are great, it would be a significant PR faux pas.

I think it is impossible to know if he really likes the scripts, or if he thinks its all gobbledegook nonsense, and is just doing his part to stand by PJ.

One of the least reliable sources for an opinion on something is someone who is being paid to work on that something...Smile


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 7:20am

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I wonder if he has ever tried reading the books [In reply to] Can't Post

If he loves the script, then I imagine he would at least enjoy the book?

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Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 9:58am

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Not really [In reply to] Can't Post

I know quite few people who who have tried the books, but simply can't stand Tolkien's prose style (or his poetry).

Both are absent from a film script.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 10:03am

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The Lord of the Rings, yes [In reply to] Can't Post

But The Hobbit is a nice easy read. Very little poetry in it. Smile

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Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 10:31am

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It's not a matter of difficulty. [In reply to] Can't Post

 

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


macfalk
Valinor


Sep 26 2012, 10:34am

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Connolly not an actual fan! [In reply to] Can't Post

What a NARF!



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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 11:01am

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I didn't say it was [In reply to] Can't Post

It's an easy read - the story is linear, there are few characters, there is no sub-plot, there's a beginning, middle and an end.

If people don't like Tolkien's usual prose and/or his poetry, then The Hobbit is a nice book to read.

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Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 11:14am

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It's linear, the characters are underdeveloped, it has a strange change of style in the last third, it has an intrusive narrative voice, the poems are rubbish and kill the pace, it's twee, and so on.

Since the Hobbit is read at many primary schools it is often people's first encounter with Tolkien, and can serve to put them off.

There are lots of books I don't like, from Dickens to The Hunger Games. I don't have a problem understanding that some people won't like books that I do like.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Sep 26 2012, 11:15am

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He's an actor! Not a book reader. [In reply to] Can't Post

 Gobbledygook? Nice word usage. Smile He does have a point. I recall someone....calling it fatally attractive once. Some people tend to act like "deplorable cultuses" or is it culti?.. which may tend to make others shy away from them and the material.

160 From a letter to Rayner Unwin 6 March 1955

..."I am not now at all sure that the tendency to treat the whole thing as a kind of vast game is really good cert. not for me, who find that kind of thing only too fatally attractive. It is, I suppose, a tribute to the curious effect that story has, when based on very elaborate and detailed workings of geography, chronology, and language, that so many should clamour for sheer 'information', or 'lore'. "...

"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 11:31am

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I don't expect people to like Tolkien either [In reply to] Can't Post

But if he enjoys the script, then there's little reason why he wouldn't enjoy the book.

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Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 26 2012, 12:22pm

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His day job [In reply to] Can't Post

is a comedian, he is just trying to be funny, Cumberbund tried the same thing with the off the cuff remarks, they know their comments are vaguely supercilious but its ok to take a pop at 'The Geeks' isnt it? O hilarious. Mad


Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 1:37pm

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A film script has little in common with the book, other than the plot. And it's not the plot that people tend to not like about the Hobbit.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Phibbus
Rohan


Sep 26 2012, 1:43pm

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The nerve! [In reply to] Can't Post


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But if he enjoys the script, then there's little reason why he wouldn't enjoy the book.

Bad taste?
(sorry)
Seriously, as with LotR, I'm sure some people will prefer the movies' take on things. Of course, when we encounter them, it becomes our moral obligation, each and every one of us and unto our last breath, to demonstrate to them the fallacy that forms the centers of their being.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


macfalk
Valinor


Sep 26 2012, 2:23pm

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"Bad taste?
(sorry)
Seriously, as with LotR, I'm sure some people will prefer the movies' take on things. Of course, when we encounter them, it becomes our moral obligation, each and every one of us and unto our last breath, to demonstrate to them the fallacy that forms the centers of their being. "



I am one of those. I don't care if it makes me a NARF - I'm proud of it. Is there a problem with people like me prefering the movies over the books? Are we Tolkien-heretics, who needs to be converted to rid us of such blasphemous beliefs?

Sorry,but I'm getting bad vibes from your post.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

(This post was edited by macfalk on Sep 26 2012, 2:24pm)


Phibbus
Rohan


Sep 26 2012, 2:37pm

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Sorry [In reply to] Can't Post

I should have stuck a smiley of some sort at the end of that.

I was lampooning Connoly's perception of "scary," over-the-top Tolkien fanaticism.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 2:43pm

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We're going in circles. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll just nod and smile. Smile

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