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Bilbo's garment in "Riddles in the Dark" scene
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TheHutt
Gondor


Sep 26 2012, 7:45am

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Bilbo's garment in "Riddles in the Dark" scene Can't Post

I am astonished that nobody of the filmmakers took into consideration the continuity in the "Riddles in the Dark" scene. How hard would that have been?:

Bilbo in FOTR prologue: Dark grey coat, red vest:




Bilbo in The Hobbit: Red-brownish coat, no apparent vest, scarf.



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emre43
Lorien

Sep 26 2012, 7:50am

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Good grief [In reply to] Can't Post

I am really dissapointed with the lack of continuity in these films. The Goblins look nothing like the Goblins in FOTR, Tom, Bert and William don't look like the Tom, Bert and William in FOTR extended. There's probably more things that I can't remember. Frown


DanielLB
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Sep 26 2012, 7:52am

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Well ... obviously ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo takes off his jacket and puts on a cravat thing before riddling with Gollum ...

Unimpressed

I thought he had the same waistcoat though? We've seen pictures of the buttons at least.

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DanielLB
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Sep 26 2012, 7:52am

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The colour of Frodo's book. [In reply to] Can't Post

That's a shocker.

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Milknut
Rohan


Sep 26 2012, 8:03am

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The way I see it [In reply to] Can't Post

The clip of young Bilbo in FOTR is more symbolic of what happened than anything else. I mean, that scene won't play out exactly the way it did in FOTR ("What's this? A ring? OMG GOLLUM IS YELLING AND STUFF"). They will probably do the finding of the ring and the reveal of Gollum more elegantly. In fact I hope they do. So I'm all for not being restricted by what was created in the service of an entirely different film with different needs.

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titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Sep 26 2012, 8:06am

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looks like they swapped out the actor too [In reply to] Can't Post

BRING BACK IAN! :)

They've mentioned something about having to change the colour due to changes to the film process, with the RED cameras instead of film.


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DanielLB
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Sep 26 2012, 8:11am

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They just couldn't find the original jacket [In reply to] Can't Post


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They've mentioned something about having to change the colour due to changes to the film process, with the RED cameras instead of film.



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Fertlthewhite
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Sep 26 2012, 8:22am

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this is a repost [In reply to] Can't Post

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I mentioned this matter many many month ago

http://newboards.theonering.net/forum/gforum/perl/gforum.cgi?post=436584;guest=40243933#436584


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DanielLB
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Sep 26 2012, 8:26am

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Re-reading that post back ... [In reply to] Can't Post

I might have played a part in massively de-railing it ... Unimpressed

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Avnar
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Sep 26 2012, 9:04am

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And it's just lazy!! [In reply to] Can't Post


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That's a shocker.


And for those who say "Who cares -it's just a book" I say it would have been just as easy to get a book the same colour! Mad

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DanielLB
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Sep 26 2012, 9:10am

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Yes, it's a silly mistake [In reply to] Can't Post

But I'll admit ... it doesn't really bother me. A book's a book. We only see it for about 1 second. There are larger, and more annoying continuity mistakes than the colour of a book.

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Lightice
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Sep 26 2012, 10:16am

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I really can't agree with this stuff (either!) [In reply to] Can't Post


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I am really dissapointed with the lack of continuity in these films. The Goblins look nothing like the Goblins in FOTR, Tom, Bert and William don't look like the Tom, Bert and William in FOTR extended. There's probably more things that I can't remember. Frown

Sorry, but I have to disagree a fair bit (Again! Is this the only thing I'm doing on this forum?) Tom, Bert and Will were modelled after the original WETA models. They were given body hair and texture, but it's still the same basic faces in there. As for the goblins, the LotR trilogy already showed us a huge variation of creatures of orcish persuasion, with clear "racial" traits based on where they live; compare the Moria goblins with the Mordor orcs, for example. The creatures from the trailers fit perfectly well into that continuity.

As for Bilbo's coat and so forth, lets keep in mind that the scene can't be replicated one to one, no matter what. Gollum's screams can't coincide with Bilbo finding the Ring. PJ isn't so forgetful that he wouldn't remember having shot the scene with Bilbo for the Fellowship, and if it doesn't match with the new stuff, then it's a conscious choice on his part.


Estel78
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Sep 26 2012, 12:15pm

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PJ isn't so forgetful that he wouldn't remember having shot the scene with Bilbo for the Fellowship, and if it doesn't match with the new stuff, then it's a conscious choice on his part.



dave_lf
Gondor

Sep 26 2012, 12:34pm

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You know what they say about a foolish consistency [In reply to] Can't Post

and the film has enough hobgoblins already.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 26 2012, 1:00pm

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The very short FOTR scene was shot 12-13 years ago [In reply to] Can't Post

Do you really think they were planning that far ahead? Obviously the costume didn't fit very well for The Hobbit, so they changed it.


(This post was edited by Carne on Sep 26 2012, 1:05pm)


stoutfiles
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 1:07pm

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It's not an error [In reply to] Can't Post

Considering they will likely replace that scene in future LOTR releases with a Martin Freeman scene from AUJ. Also, Hayden Christensen's ghost will replace Cirdan at the Grey Havens, just like Tolkien would have wanted.


(This post was edited by stoutfiles on Sep 26 2012, 1:10pm)


Labrynian Rebel
The Shire


Sep 26 2012, 1:12pm

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I really hope they do that, or else I'll have a continuity spasm every time I watch it [In reply to] Can't Post

seriously, it would annoy me so much


DanielLB
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Sep 26 2012, 1:13pm

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Nooo! Bilbo is Ian Holm! [In reply to] Can't Post

Leave him be! Cool

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Oscarilbo
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Sep 26 2012, 1:40pm

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well... [In reply to] Can't Post

Of course that scene of the FOTR prologue will be replaced with a new one of Martin Freeman.

That's why PJ did not bother for continuity in that scene, that's why he redesigned Bilbo's clothes without worrying. Martin Freeman is now officially younger Bilbo.

As for the trolls, we have always seen creatures becoming stone in movies like the first Narnia and so, but we do not know what PJ plans to show us on these trolls in that moment, but as far as we can tell by the trailers they are the same trolls, the same face, the same structure, just 60 years before FOTR and perfectly alive, with personality, hair, clothes, and a lot of hunger... we'll see.

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Fardragon
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Sep 26 2012, 1:49pm

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And Martin Freeman is Ian Holm [In reply to] Can't Post

Ian Holm will be digitally removed from existence and replaced by Martin Freeman (adjusted for age, obviously).

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DanielLB
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Sep 26 2012, 2:38pm

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Sacrilege! / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Elenorflower
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Sep 26 2012, 3:22pm

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as much as I love [In reply to] Can't Post

Ian Holm as younger Bilbo, if i ever wanted to geek out on a mega Hobbit/LOTR cd watchingfest, it would be slightly irritating to see two different actors play the same scene. Just a quibbler really.


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Sep 26 2012, 3:32pm

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Bilbo appears to be wearing a green waistcoat throughout the quest [In reply to] Can't Post

Though I think he may lose it before the Riddles scene. The buttons might be the same, though Cool



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Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Sep 26 2012, 3:37pm

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I would hazard a guess [In reply to] Can't Post

I would guess that Bilbo's greenish grey overcoat didn't mess well with the green screens they used for CGI. I'd also guess that it blended into the scenery too well in forest scenes and in the darkness of cave scenes. And I'd guess that they wanted Bilbo's outfit to be more brightly colored to separate him from the dwarves with just a quick look.

In other words: I don't think it was an error so much as a design choice. Or it could all just be a mistake. Either way, really.



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There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Sep 26 2012, 3:37pm

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THANK YOU [In reply to] Can't Post

obviously they want to keep as much continuity as they can, but let's be reasonable.

They are different films and if something works better for the film now then they should do that. period.

Look, I'm the first to have OCD about this stuff too, but we have to get over it. Or at least I'm trying to get over it. Better for one's sanity. Crazy

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(This post was edited by There&ThereAgain on Sep 26 2012, 3:41pm)

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