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Tauriel: possible flash sideways?
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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 25 2012, 7:30pm

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They are not listed on the official cast list for AUJ [In reply to] Can't Post

So it looks like we may wait until TDOS to see them.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 25 2012, 7:34pm

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Convincing [In reply to] Can't Post

And since you're probably right, depressing. Wink


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Sep 25 2012, 7:34pm

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You know it's funny [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't recall a single post about Alfrid naked or in any sort of sexual situation yet I have read lots of posts, indeed whole threads elsewhere, regarding these aspects of Tauriel.

LR


Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Sep 25 2012, 7:35pm

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A minor character who merits an action figure, it would seem. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:36pm

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I don't think that proves anything, does it? [In reply to] Can't Post

A figure is a figure. They make them to make money. Everything that appears in the film will eventually be turned into a figure. Wink

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Solicitr
Lorien

Sep 25 2012, 7:37pm

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And why do you think that might be? [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Ffnir
Rohan


Sep 25 2012, 7:38pm

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There is a reason to that ! [In reply to] Can't Post

If the hobbit were originally a book with zero male character, the addition of alfrid would have generated a lot of these jokes.


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Sep 25 2012, 7:38pm

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I'm sure posters and readers will draw their own conclusions. [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Solicitr
Lorien

Sep 25 2012, 7:40pm

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Oh, I assure you, [In reply to] Can't Post

I have read the book many, many, many many times (as well as the drafts), and there is NO "Tauriel" or female guard-captain in it.


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Sep 25 2012, 7:41pm

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Or she could be more along the lines of Gamling [In reply to] Can't Post

Who was at as many events, if I recall correctly.



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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:41pm

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He's just as made up as Tauriel though [In reply to] Can't Post

And he could just as easily "ruin" the plot of Laketown or the Master, as Tauriel could to the plot of Mirkwood.

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Solicitr
Lorien

Sep 25 2012, 7:46pm

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You're ducking [In reply to] Can't Post

If you're going to play the Chauvanist Card, at least do so without the feigned coyness.

Unfortunately, you're stuck with a reality you really don't want to admit. PBJ invented this character for one or both of two reasons:

a) affirmative action, and/or
b) cheesecake

She's a Seven of Nine, and you know it.


Ffnir
Rohan


Sep 25 2012, 7:50pm

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I personally think they will both be great [In reply to] Can't Post

Tauriel and Alfrid will add some life to Thranduil's palace and laketown. Lord of the rings was already full of character, but in the hobbit i think it was absolutely necessary to add some since there were very few of them. In laketown there were only the Master, Bard (who is introduced just before laketown is destroyed) and the others. It was a good idea to add a minor character. Same thing with tauriel : Legolas would have seemed quite lonely if he was the only elf kicking ass in the movies


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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:51pm

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At least we agree over something then ;-) / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Sep 25 2012, 7:52pm

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I suppose it's possible, but IMO they wouldn't cast a "name" actress in a Gamling-sized role. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Sep 25 2012, 7:53pm

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Agreed based on what we know thus far. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Ffnir
Rohan


Sep 25 2012, 7:53pm

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I disagree [In reply to] Can't Post

You can't say that before you saw the movie, I'm sure it will be a quite well written character since they really risking to upset fans with her addition in the movie. They wouldn't do it just for affirmative action or cheesecake


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Grey Havens

Sep 25 2012, 8:03pm

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Ha, much as I don't like [In reply to] Can't Post

Authorial guesswork neither of those terms would feature if I did.

Alas I am not familiar with star trek so I cannot comment on the specific.

LR


Solicitr
Lorien

Sep 25 2012, 8:12pm

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How much "life" does a prison need? [In reply to] Can't Post

After all, that's the role Thranduil's caves play in the story. The emotional atmosphere, if you will, of the segment is the intense loneliness of the Dwarves in solitary confinement and of Bilbo in his furtive sneaking.


Solicitr
Lorien

Sep 25 2012, 8:15pm

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As Dean Wormer [In reply to] Can't Post

didn't say, "Hiding your head under the covers is no way to go through life."


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neither of those terms would feature if I did


Well, PB admitted to it, even if not in those precise words.


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Grey Havens

Sep 25 2012, 8:20pm

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No, no she didn't [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm afraid we have very different of the concepts under discussion. Funnily enough along similar lines to the other discussion now that I think of it.

LR


Solicitr
Lorien

Sep 25 2012, 8:37pm

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Oh, yes she did [In reply to] Can't Post

In PB's own words:

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So she immediately brings a very powerful feminine energy into the film... we did feel the weight of it being a boys own story. After a while, youd feel the weight of it. And we did create a character. Her names Tauriel. We created her for that reason. To bring that energy into the film, that feminine energy.



Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Sep 25 2012, 8:43pm

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And you think that is "affirmative action"? [In reply to] Can't Post

Goodness I don't think I can possibly unpick that far enough to begin to move forward. I did wonder if you were referring to that quote but decided you couldn't possibly be!

I'll leave some space for others to comment so that this avoids becoming a back and forth.

Besides I have embroidery to get back to and these bras don't burn themselves.

LR


Escapist
Gondor


Sep 25 2012, 8:51pm

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brainstorm [In reply to] Can't Post

If it must be that Tauriel is in the first movie, then I would consider one of the following:
  1. She brought the cute hamsters to Radagast after finding them injured in some way by the shadow.
  2. She is with Legolas and they both are settled nicely into the WC storyline - making a connection to Thranduil's realm.
  3. She brings summons or news from Thranduil to Radagast (maybe separate from Legolas or maybe with him).
... and possibly both 1. and 3.

I'm reminded of a time when I received some strange advice from a drunken man.
"You don't want to be too good, people like to have something on you." Maybe that CGI can be perfect for the next films instead, right? And maybe much of the second film is almost ready anyway.

Affirmative action Wink


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 25 2012, 9:24pm

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10cc of Judith Butler, STAT! [In reply to] Can't Post

Laugh

Seriously, I do hope the discussions that lead to Tauriel's inclusion ranged further than PB's off the cuff response implies. Actually I'm willing to bet that they did.

I'm not a fan of tokenism... and the girl power trope is lately but a caricature of its former self (plus is too predictable). Regardless, I'm all for Tauriel and look forward to seeing where she takes us.

The biggest hurdle that Tauriel should have to clear is that she's an invented character. However, she is only one of a dozen or so invented, added in where they weren't before, or expanded characters that we've heard about. Yet I see relatively little disparagement of PB over the others. Why is this I wonder?



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(This post was edited by SirDennisC on Sep 25 2012, 9:25pm)

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