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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 6:52pm
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And I don't see how she could be detrimental to the film
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She must be on screen for about 10 minutes (on and off). That's hardly enough time to ruin a film!
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 6:52pm
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I hope we see as little of her and Bloom as possible. So if we can have a whole film without them, I'll be pleased.
Though I am very much looking forward to seeing Pace's Thranduil...
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SirDennisC
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Sep 25 2012, 6:56pm
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There are at least a few reasons --
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Speaking only for myself, it appears to me that she will be an interesting character and I like the options her inclusion provides the story adapters.
Speaking more generally, her inclusion is consistent with the version of Middle-earth PJ established in LOTR.
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:00pm
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They extended their role for not much more than 10min and it ruined a whole part of the film.
But it's different since PJ said that he didn't wanted to show the army of the dead in the films but did it for the fans. For Tauriel it's seems to be the exact opposite.
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Solicitr
Mithlond
Sep 25 2012, 7:05pm
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...did the Osgiliation take? How long did it take pseudo-Denethor to ruin big chunks of film?
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:06pm
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I don't think they would take the risk of including a non-canon character if they hadn't work hard to make her credible and interesting.
And in more than six hour of movie, it will be good to see at least one unbearded woman. ^^
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 7:06pm
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Biggest mistake in all three films, IMO.
Though unless Tauriel brings with her an army of invincible green zombified LOST cast members, her contribution should be less ruinous...
At least I hope so...
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Mithlond
Sep 25 2012, 7:07pm
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OK, so Evangeline Lilly did say
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"I know how adamant the purists are and I'm one of them."
But she also said, "Peter and Fran know that world so well. They’re not going to create a character that is not true to Tolkien’s world."-- which rather tarnishes her purist credentials.
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:07pm
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Again ... these are major plot lines
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That, for whatever reason, fell flat on their face in the films. Tauriel is a minor character, who will do more fighting than talking. Almost impossible to ruin the entire trilogy!
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:07pm
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We don't know what plot Tauriel could bring with her... /
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 7:08pm
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That Tauriel will be a minor character.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 25 2012, 7:12pm
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So was Denethor, Faramir, Eomer and Eowyn.
You cannot rule out the possibility that her role could be as substantive as theirs.
Not saying it will be, but it is certainly within the realm of possibility.
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Mithlond
Sep 25 2012, 7:14pm
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That she's going to give Bilbo the keys/release the Dwarves herself and play a major role in the barrel-escape.
It would be a typically Jacksonian piece of vandali- er, change.
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:15pm
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She could be the one who help the hobbits and dwarves to escape thranduil's palace, since she replace the drunk guard captain. And who knows, it might be because she's not as indifferent to kilik's charm as she first thought
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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:17pm
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This is just speculation at the moment though
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She may well do. It might work. It might not. I still say that wouldn't be detrimental to the entire film, though.
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Sep 25 2012, 7:19pm
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she won't get that much exposure.
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...except in that lesbian scene with Galadriel
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Escapist
Mithlond
Sep 25 2012, 7:20pm
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If there is a risk associated with including Tauriel and Legolas
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then that means that their inclusion needs to be handled carefully (very, very carfully).
So again, if they are in Rivendell - an already credible and established place for them to be as messengers of Thranduil who would very credibly have some input into things in some way. If they are with Rhosgobel and plenty of time, thought, input, and editing was involved in the whole process - it could work (I'll have to see it to judge).
However, messing around with Radagast in some way which leads to storylines that are entirely invented in a way that glaringly stands out is exactly the kind of really risky way of handling them which could lead to the exact thing Lily expressed fears about if time isn't allowed for editing and careful review of what it turns out to look like.
It is really all about the how here. So if they are in Mirkwood (probably film2), I think it is a nearly automatic pass. If they are in Rivendell (probably film1), that probably passes too as long as their role stays close to the role Legolas had in FOTR and fits with either the story line of the dwarves or with the WC. Start messing around too much and you could get a bomb - especially if the messing around happens after the point where there is still time to do any tweaking or fixing of what you wind up with. And this is the point we are at right now.
I have never been against including Tauriel and Legolas in TH movies and I think they will potentially add a lot to the Mirkwood elves' storyline. I think Legolas could be in Rivendell, at DG, or at BO5A and that it depends more on execution than anything. Over the past few months I have been really open to all kinds of ideas about them. But this is not the time for introducing new ideas involving those two in film1, in my opinion, because anything that is done with them should go through a careful review and editing process precisely because of the sensitivities involved. We're not talking about some light re-takes or an extra song here ... this isn't such an automatic thing to change so close to the deadlines that people need to work with. Something like this could really affect everything about the movie. Working on this instead of perfecting CGI, marketing, songs, and editing could wreck the whole thing.
I, personally, think it's time to start thinking instead about how Lego and Taury will work their magic in film2.
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Mithlond
Sep 25 2012, 7:22pm
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The interesting thing about that is
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that people are assuming that there needs to be extra scenes added.
If they are listed as being in film1, then they are already in it. If they aren't in it then ... I say take the film as it is and move on with editing and everything else that needs to be done to give it a proper finish.
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ElendurTheFaithful
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Sep 25 2012, 7:25pm
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"is everybody so juiced for the onscreen appearance for a bogus made-up character PBJ simply pulled out of their - er, made up out of thin air? One for whom there is no warrant in the text whatsoever, and who is so totally out of keeping with Tolkien's world?
Sheesh, at least Dreamboat Leggy is a genuine Elf of Mirkwood, even if T hadn't invented him at the time."
read hobbit book for once. she's captain of the guard.
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Captain Salt
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Sep 25 2012, 7:27pm
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Agreed, and I think the possibilities for Tauriel are:
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- Capture of Thorin & Co. - and fighting Spiders with the Dwarves beforehand?
- Involved with "Barrels out of Bond" in some capacity (hence Lilly demonstrating she had to learn how to say "the cells are empty" in Elvish last year)
- Probably some development within the Wood Elves' halls, scenes between her and Legolas and/or Thranduil? It's been hinted Kili becomes obsessed with her, and she was also mentioned as being obsessed with an young Elf Lord of Rivendell at some point (not sure who this would be if it's even still in the films? Lindir? Elros? A minor character yet to be revealed? Personally, this seems like it's fallen by the wayside to me, perhaps in the transition from S. Ronan/Itaril to E. Lilly/Tauriel)
- I suspect the Wood Elves/Legolas/Tauriel will play a part in the Necromancer storyline, perhaps even the Battle of Dol Guldur itself (thought Leggy's Bridge Direct description implies this is without Thranduil's concent); we know she fights Orcs with Legolas at some point, Orcs who wear armor/outfits which would seem to designate them as serving Azog/the Necromancer (such as on Fimbul in the leaked pic of his action figure)
- Possibly BoFA (Lilly mentioned having to fight massive Orcs - possibly either Azog or Bolg's bodyguard)?
Not saying all of these will happen, but probably at least half of them will...so personally, I see her as fairly comparable to Eowyn or Faramir in terms of screentime/development.
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1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Fàfnir
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Sep 25 2012, 7:29pm
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...and poor middle earth : they're the only two women in the film, exept for some bearded dwarves girl.
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Nothing to say they're right ... 
