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Shadowfax...what role will he play?
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DemoElite
Rivendell


Sep 25 2012, 1:50am

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Shadowfax...what role will he play? Can't Post

In the PJ middle earth existence, will we see Shadowfax play a role? Gandalf mentions, in TTT, that he and the horse lord have worked together before. Will we see him with ties to Radagast or possibly Beorn?


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Kangi Ska
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Sep 25 2012, 1:59am

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None! No role at all. [In reply to] Can't Post

Honest! He would be too old to ride in LotR if he was around for the Hobbit.

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entmaiden
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Sep 25 2012, 2:07am

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That would be interesting [In reply to] Can't Post

but I don't know if it will happen. It could be that Gandalf was referring to his earlier visit to Theoden, when he first got Shadowfax. That happened after the events of The Hobbit, so Peter and co. would have to change that backstory to bring Shadowfax into the Hobbit movies.


DemoElite
Rivendell


Sep 25 2012, 2:15am

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He couldn't be... [In reply to] Can't Post

Referring to the horse from an earlier ride too close in time. When he whistled for him in TTT, he was so happy to see him, like it had been a long while sine he had seen him.

You stated that hewould have been dead in lotr if he had been alive during th. Funny, i assumed him to be a more mystical creature than a straight horse. I thought Gandalf whistled and he came from "somewhere else".


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entmaiden
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Sep 25 2012, 2:24am

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I might be relying too much on the book [In reply to] Can't Post

where 17 years pass between Bilbo's birthday and Frodo's adventures with the Ring. In the movies, of course, the elapsed time is much shorter.

In the books, Gandalf visits Theoden years before, but not in the movies.

So, in movie-world, I would still have a problem similar to my concerns about putting Legolas in the Hobbit movies. He wasn't in the books, so I don't know how he will be inserted in the movie. Same with Shadowfax.

But if it's done well, it would be great to see Shadowfax again.


Phibbus
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Sep 25 2012, 2:27am

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Wasn't there a bit [In reply to] Can't Post

In one of the vlogs with Gandalf saying that he was in need of a horse to go in search of answers? It sounded urgent. Shadowfax urgent.

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Elutherian
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Sep 25 2012, 2:28am

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I doubt it... [In reply to] Can't Post

...Gandalf tamed Shadowfax years after the events of "The Hobbit."

Also, I like his introduction in TTT. It helps set Gandalf the White apart from Gandalf the Grey.

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DemoElite
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Sep 25 2012, 2:34am

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Does anyone know [In reply to] Can't Post

What Gandalf's exact lines from TTT were when he called Shadowfax?


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Elutherian
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Sep 25 2012, 4:05am

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From memory: [In reply to] Can't Post

Legolas: That is one of the Merras... unless my eyes are cheated by some spell.
Gandalf: This is Shadowfax. He's the lord of all horses... and my friend through many dangers.

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Ruijor
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Sep 25 2012, 5:19am

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Shadowfax´s sure can be seen as more than just a horse... [In reply to] Can't Post

and i could even accept he was blessed with long life like the numerorean but to see Gandalf the Grey mounted in a white horse would be messing with the color analogy between the two Gandalfs already established.


(This post was edited by Ruijor on Sep 25 2012, 5:20am)


redgiraffe
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Sep 25 2012, 5:27am

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Let me try [In reply to] Can't Post


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where 17 years pass between Bilbo's birthday and Frodo's adventures with the Ring. In the movies, of course, the elapsed time is much shorter.

In the books, Gandalf visits Theoden years before, but not in the movies.


In the film Gandalf says something to the effect of "he has been my friend through many dangers."

To me, this implies that he's known Shadowfax for quite some time and has gone through other adventures with him.

And although they don't mention the time lapses in the movie that doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't happen. Phillipa said something like "we just pretend that we didn't discuss those parts left out." This is one quote of hers that I liked. I like to pretend that the 17 years does pass, and that they spend a few months in Lorien, etc.

So anyways, we could assume that Gandalf has visited Theoden and received shadowfax many years before the events in TTT. This does, however, bring up the question as to why Gandalf used a different horse at the beginning of FOTR. But it's neither here nor there.

I don't think Shadowfax has a place in the hobbit but you never know what the film makers might do.

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Sep 25 2012, 6:54am

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I don't have my books to hand, but from memory, didn't Gandalf first get Shadowfax from Theoden (practically stole him?) when Gwaihir rescued Gandalf from Orthanc, and delivered him to safety in Rohan? I believe Theoden told him he could have a horse and 'be gone' from Rohan, and Gandalf cheekily took the Lord of the Mearas...


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DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 7:11am

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No need for Shadowfax [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf will use the house given to him from Beorn. Smile

Unless that very horse is Shadowfax. Which it won't be.


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Fardragon
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Sep 25 2012, 8:00am

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Mearas may live longer than normal horses [In reply to] Can't Post

but they certainly don't live 60-90 years.

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Gimilkhad
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Sep 25 2012, 10:19am

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Gandalfs mount in the Hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

Early in The Hobbit before the party reach Rivendell, Gandalf is described as riding a great white horse.


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Sep 25 2012, 10:49am

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He will voice one of the spiders. [In reply to] Can't Post




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Valandil ed Imladris
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Sep 25 2012, 11:31am

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No Shadowfax [In reply to] Can't Post

he won't be there!


Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 25 2012, 12:09pm

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I always assumed [In reply to] Can't Post

that Shadowfax was an Elven horse, or had Elven traits being mystical and long lived and faster than ordinary mortal horses. He definately was a magical creature and extraordinary. But I think Gandalf was given a horse to use by Beorn so I dont think it was Shadowfax, although it would be nice to see him again. It always makes me sigh in happiness when I see Gandalf whistle for the mighty steed and you see him gallop towards us.


stoutfiles
Rohan

Sep 25 2012, 1:15pm

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Let's stop kidding ourselves [In reply to] Can't Post

Shadowfax is going to be in it. PJ could care less if he wasn't in The Hobbit, it links to his movies and the mainstream audience will love the connection.

Sorry everyone. It's going to happen.


DanielLB
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Sep 25 2012, 1:24pm

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I bet the complete opposite [In reply to] Can't Post

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There are far more obvious connections that will be made (via characters, places, objects etc), than a horse that appeared in a trilogy 10 years ago, for less than a couple of minutes.

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Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 25 2012, 1:30pm

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Early in the Hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

everyone is mounted.

But the trailer clearly shows the dwarves walking and running across ME, not riding.

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Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 25 2012, 1:42pm

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hey [In reply to] Can't Post

I want my girlie My Little Shadowfax moment, let a woman dream will you? Wink


Elthir
Gondor

Sep 25 2012, 1:48pm

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thirty white horses [In reply to] Can't Post

And this can't be Shadowfax, as Shadowfax was never described as white Smile

Gandalf's white horse was later (the 1960 Hobbit, never finished however) given a name by Tolkien -- the name was Rohald. But in the book as published, after A Short Rest Gandalf was given a white pony 'since his horse was not suitable for the mountain paths' (Over Hill And Under Hill).

The Mearas lived longer than regular horses (about 80 years, but technically 'as long-lived as men'), but in any event, as has already been noted, Gandalf did not tame Shadowfax until September 3018.


Again, not that Jackson will necessarily care.


(This post was edited by Elthir on Sep 25 2012, 1:56pm)


Lightice
Lorien

Sep 25 2012, 2:53pm

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Most unlikely [In reply to] Can't Post


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Shadowfax is going to be in it. PJ could care less if he wasn't in The Hobbit, it links to his movies and the mainstream audience will love the connection.

Sorry everyone. It's going to happen.


This is very much doubtful. PJ wouldn't have put him in the LotR if he wasn't such a major figure in the story. Animals are always trouble for the filmmakers, and they use them as sparingly as they can get away with. There is no white horse anywhere in the trailers; I find it more likely that the mounted scenes will be reduced to the barest minumum.

Anyway, by that logic Gandalf should have ridden Shadowfax in the Fellowship of the Ring, but that was very explicitly avoided.


The Preciousss
Bree

Sep 25 2012, 3:40pm

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I guess that he will ride a different horse [In reply to] Can't Post

like he did in FOTR when he rides to Orthanc. But I can can see him say: "Damn I wish this horse was faster"or "I wish this was a Mearas";)

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