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shadowdog
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Sep 23 2012, 2:57pm
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Where are you off to....not too (also). It made perfect sense to me.
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 23 2012, 3:48pm
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No. It would be easy to include both Drogo and Primul--just not as a couple.
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I agree that it seems pretty impossible to include Frodo's parents because of the timeline, but PJ is pretty ambiguous about timelines in the movies, so I'm sure he'd find a way to include them if he really wanted to.
Easy-peasy! Primula Brandybuck would have grown up in Buckland, but it would be easy to place her at the auction at Bag End with a group of friends her own age (21 or 22 years old, which is still adolescence for a Hobbit). Drogo Baggins reached his coming-of-age at 33 years old in the same year as Bilbo's adventure. So we could have the tween-aged Primula gawking at the dashing young Drogo who might be completely oblivious to her attentions.
'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 23 2012, 3:54pm
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I added an extra "o" because the actor stretches out the "to" in a very odd way. I think it is a Kiwi trying to sound English, and failing...
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Ring-Bearer
Ossiriand
Sep 23 2012, 10:10pm
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I think it might be nice to hear Bilbo and Gandalf sing that little tune to 'The Road Goes Ever On' in the Hobbit. Both of them know the same tune, as seen by Gandalf in his cart and Bilbo leaving Bag End. A small segment in The Hobbit explaining how both of them know the song (other than the fact that Bilbo wrote it himself) might give those familiar or not with the books a friendly tie back to Middle Earth.
'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'
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Sinister71
Dor-Lomin
Sep 23 2012, 10:17pm
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if we'll hear Bilbo singing it , and its just something Gandalf picks up on would be a nice little cross over
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alienorchid
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Sep 24 2012, 12:40am
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I meant it would be impossible to show them as a couple, drowning, and the adoption of Frodo within the TH storyline, but it could work to show them as younger hobbits, as you have suggested.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Sep 24 2012, 1:53am
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Well, of course it would work.
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Although, it could just as easily be that the beauty of young Primula catches the eye of the older Drogo, with her not noticing him at all.
As you say, Drogo and Primula wouldn't be wed for many years. Frodo would be born in TA 2968 (or in 2967, in the film universe).
'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 2:33am
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Honestly with Ryan Gage being recast
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I hope they just dropped the whole idea of having Drogo Baggins at all... personally I always thought it was a bad idea from the start. Don't get me wrong I think its nice to see some of Bilbo around Hobbiton but Drogo really does Nothing for the film, it sheds no light on Bilbo, his adventure or the dwarves. I say it is something best left to the imagination off screen 
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Ring-Bearer
Ossiriand
Sep 24 2012, 2:39am
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You have a good point, Drogo does little to add to the storyline. I was just thinking that, since Bilbo is telling the story to Frodo, a bit of Baggins family history could be touched upon, as Tolkien did much in the appendices as far as family trees. Only as brief flashbacks, however.
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Kangi Ska
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Sep 24 2012, 2:45am
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The first itteration of The Road Goes Ever On is in the Hobbit
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so it would make sense to include it in the movie.
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Sinister71
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Sep 24 2012, 2:54am
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I hope to at least hear Bilbo humming it at some point //
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 6:02pm
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I would love to see Drogo Baggins. I don't care if he adds little or a lot to the story - he has an interesting history and a good connection to Frodo.
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Ossiriand
Sep 24 2012, 7:48pm
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It would be interesting to see Drogo. Because we know that Bilbo will be telling Frodo the story, maybe Frodo will have some lighthearted flashbacks of his parents, maybe taking a stroll in the Shire or going to see Uncle Bilbo. Just a nice history to Bilbo and Frodo's past.
'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 24 2012, 7:57pm
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I think that a cameo should somehow relate to the narrative...
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It would be interesting to see Drogo. Because we know that Bilbo will be telling Frodo the story, maybe Frodo will have some lighthearted flashbacks of his parents, maybe taking a stroll in the Shire or going to see Uncle Bilbo. Just a nice history to Bilbo and Frodo's past.
I think that depicting the first meeting of the future couple of Drogo and Primula is the best way to go. It could even be depicted as a "cute meet", although that might be a might too much 'Hollywood'. Such a scene really should not be gag-worthy.
'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White
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Sep 24 2012, 8:04pm
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Maybe the meeting of Drogo and Primula would work, if it was done in a simple, hobbit-like manner. Nothing gushy or overdone. Just a small scene, as not to drift too far from the storyline.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Sep 24 2012, 8:12pm
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Maybe the meeting of Drogo and Primula would work, if it was done in a simple, hobbit-like manner. Nothing gushy or overdone. Just a small scene, as not to drift too far from the storyline.
And it would only be a brief cameo after all.
'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White
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Ossiriand
Sep 24 2012, 8:15pm
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Great! The more hobbits, the better. I like the trilogy idea since it gives more room for more history, which is a major factor in Tolkien's success as a writer.
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entmaiden
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Sep 24 2012, 8:45pm
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Sinister71
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Sep 25 2012, 1:16am
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And how does this move Bilbo's adventure and story forward? I'm just curious What do they really offer to the films that makes them special and say they should be in there above other characters likely to be cut?
I see the inclusion of characters like Drogo Baggins and Primula Brandybuck as just a waste of screen time when they should be focusing on Bilbo and his journey instead of his family ties... Yeah i understand people want cute little tie ins but whats the purpose didn't PJ cut a bunch of stuff out of LOTR because it didn't do anything for the story. I just see adding Bilbo's family tree as slowing down the material much the same way PJ thought Tom Bombadil slowed down LOTR
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Ring-Bearer
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Sep 25 2012, 2:22am
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I understand your point. It would just be neat for fans, but yes, that and Tom Bombadil had no real significance in the films. Then again, if Tom was so far from the storyline, why was he written by Tolkien? I guess perhaps that Tom, and lesser figures like Drogo, Primula, and other characters may destract a film audience and be better off left in the world of literature. Still, small surprises and lighthearted scenes may shed light upon what is otherwise quite a serious adventure. As Hobbits are introduced, small appearances such as Drogo or the Gaffer in LOTR may add further depth into the life and ways of a hobbit.
'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'
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Sinister71
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Sep 25 2012, 2:47am
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I believe that was a character Tolkien created before he ever wrote the Hobbit and when he wrote LOTR he put that in for some reason. I really can't remember why. But I'm sure he had his reasons for Tom Bombadil being there.
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Ossiriand
Sep 25 2012, 3:01am
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I'm sure Bombadil had an important symbolic impact in the story, or even signified a personal connection to Tolkien. He is a wonderful character, and still important, for needless were none of the deeds of Tolkien.
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ericmvan
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Sep 25 2012, 4:10am
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Bombadil = Before LOTR, after The Hobbit
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Bombadil first appeared in print in February, 1934, and Tolkien later dated his origin to "mid-1930's." The Hobbit was written between the summer of 1930 (though at the time abandoned in the middle of the first chapter, probably until the next spring) and December of 1932.
Tolkien included Bombadil, Old Man Willow, and the Barrow-Wight because he had already made them up since writing The Hobbit, and now he was writing a sequel and was making it up as he went along. At the time he decided to include them, he had gotten only as far as the first chapter, and had only a vague notion that the Ring was involved at all in the new story (it was the "unpremeditated" invention of the first Black Rider which changed things).
Indeed if fish had fish-lore and Wise-fish, it is probable that the business of anglers would be very little hindered -- JRRT, Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth, Commentary, note 9.
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