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Ring-Bearer
Ossiriand
Sep 22 2012, 9:43pm
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While watching the Fellowship of the Ring recently, I noticed how when Bilbo drops the Ring, it is similar to the Palantir in that when they are dropped, they do so with a profound weight that serves as an example of their dark nature. Any one else remember if there were any other instances where the weapons of the enemy or any other dark symbol were introduced or portrayed like this as evil, but in a subtle way? Just wondering.
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Magpie
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Sep 22 2012, 10:13pm
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well... the palantir was exactly a weapon of the enemy
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It was merely a telephone of sorts... It was created for nefarious purposes.
Showing it as 'weighted' - something I hadn't picked up on but may be true - might merely indicate it is 'magical' in some way or that it is or can be used in ways that would be dangerous.
As for other weapons of the enemy or dark symbols... I'm not sure I can't think of any off hand. At least not any I thought were emphasized in some way like the Ring was.
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Ring-Bearer
Ossiriand
Sep 22 2012, 11:05pm
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I remember that they ring was explained to not only be a mental burden, but a physical one as well, as Frodo described it as getting heavier and heavier. Interesting. Just a thought for the day. Thanks for the input.
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 22 2012, 11:14pm
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Magpie! You should know better than that (unless your post did not come across as intended). The Noldor created the Palantiri as magical communication devices. There was nothing inherently nefarious about them.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 22 2012, 11:53pm
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Based on the context clues, it looks as if "not created for nefarious purposes" was the intended remark...
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Ring-Bearer
Ossiriand
Sep 23 2012, 12:23am
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The Palantir in The Lord of the Rings was not initially a tool of evil, but taken by the traitor Saruman to communicate with Sauron.
So, technically, you're both correct.
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Ring-Bearer
Ossiriand
Sep 23 2012, 12:46am
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Ah, well, typos happen, don't worry about it.
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Otaku-sempai
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Sep 23 2012, 1:21am
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Hence my parenthetical comment.
'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White
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Sep 23 2012, 1:30am
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The Palantir in The Lord of the Rings was not initially a tool of evil, but taken by the traitor Saruman to communicate with Sauron.
So, technically, you're both correct.
No, It was taken by Saruman to use for his own purposes, scrying the lands independent of other Stones; inevitably however he was snared by Sauron, the stronger will. The same thing happened to Denethor.
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Harold.of.Whoa
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Sep 23 2012, 9:46pm
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Although it does not deal directly with the weight idea, there is a Ring-Palantir connection in the film that is not so subtle. When Gandalf reaches for the Ring on the floor of Bag End, there is a flash of the Eye and a noise, and Gandalf draws his had back. When Gandalf covers the Palantir in Orthanc, pretty much the same thing happens.
I interpret the this as emphasis on the notion that these objects represent a direct and dangerous link back to Sauron.
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Ring-Bearer
Ossiriand
Sep 23 2012, 10:03pm
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That's a great connection. Although I had noticed the similarities with the two and The Eye, it has never really occurred to me how both serve as a link between Sauron and the world outside of his realm. Both the Ring and the Palantír were also tools that were tempting to use, such as the Frodo with the Ring and Pippin and the Palantír.
'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'
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Loresilme
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Sep 24 2012, 6:57pm
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Well, yes there is that subtle and fleeting glimpse of
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The Wielding of the Caliginous Carrot 
Does that count  ?
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Noel Q. von Schneiffel
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Sep 24 2012, 7:18pm
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...It is certainly true that Peter Jackson, in the shape he was in at the beginning of the LotR filming, would drop with "a profound weight" - carrot inside him or not 
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Ring-Bearer
Ossiriand
Sep 24 2012, 7:53pm
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Haha poor Pete. He's really done well losing weight though. And the carrot of doom, the true villain of Middle Earth- cast it into your mouth, Peter, destroy it! 
'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'
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Loresilme
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Sep 24 2012, 11:04pm
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"But the peeling of the Carrot
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could not be undone."
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 24 2012, 11:46pm
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Saruman used the palantir for his own exploratory purposes, and was eventually overpowered by Sauron, who was also in control of a palantir, and was able to project his will through it...
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Ring-Bearer
Ossiriand
Sep 25 2012, 1:59am
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…But it led to his own destruction.'
That would make one very interesting film.
'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'
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Ring-Bearer
Ossiriand
Sep 25 2012, 7:35pm
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'The carrot cannot be cooked, Gimli, son of Gloin...'
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'... By any craft we here possess...'
*Sam puts down his pots and pans*
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'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'
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Loresilme
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Sep 26 2012, 3:47pm
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"One of - no, not you, Sam - must do this dinner." //
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Ring-Bearer
Ossiriand
Sep 27 2012, 2:19am
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'One does not simply cook a carrot, there is a recipe that does not sleep.'
This is getting strange...
'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'
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Loresilme
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Sep 28 2012, 9:36pm
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Not with ten thousand men could you stew this //
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