Our Sponsor Sideshow Collectibles Send us News
Lord of the Rings Tolkien
Search Tolkien
Lord of The RingsTheOneRing.net - Forged By And For Fans Of JRR Tolkien
Lord of The Rings Serving Middle-Earth Since The First Age

Lord of the Rings Movie News - J.R.R. Tolkien
Do you enjoy the 100% volunteer, not for profit services of TheOneRing.net?
Consider a donation!

  Main Index   Search Posts   Who's Online   Log in
The One Ring Forums: Tolkien Topics: Movie Discussion: The Lord of the Rings:
The Burden of the Ring
First page Previous page 1 2 Next page Last page  View All

Ring-Bearer
Rivendell

Sep 22 2012, 9:43pm

Post #1 of 31 (1331 views)
Shortcut
The Burden of the Ring Can't Post

While watching the Fellowship of the Ring recently, I noticed how when Bilbo drops the Ring, it is similar to the Palantir in that when they are dropped, they do so with a profound weight that serves as an example of their dark nature. Any one else remember if there were any other instances where the weapons of the enemy or any other dark symbol were introduced or portrayed like this as evil, but in a subtle way? Just wondering.


Magpie
Immortal


Sep 22 2012, 10:13pm

Post #2 of 31 (465 views)
Shortcut
well... the palantir was exactly a weapon of the enemy [In reply to] Can't Post

It was merely a telephone of sorts... It was created for nefarious purposes.

Showing it as 'weighted' - something I hadn't picked up on but may be true - might merely indicate it is 'magical' in some way or that it is or can be used in ways that would be dangerous.

As for other weapons of the enemy or dark symbols... I'm not sure I can't think of any off hand. At least not any I thought were emphasized in some way like the Ring was.



LOTR soundtrack website ~ magpie avatar gallery
TORn History Mathom-house ~ Torn Image Posting Guide


Ring-Bearer
Rivendell

Sep 22 2012, 11:05pm

Post #3 of 31 (441 views)
Shortcut
That darn ring [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember that they ring was explained to not only be a mental burden, but a physical one as well, as Frodo described it as getting heavier and heavier. Interesting. Just a thought for the day. Thanks for the input.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Sep 22 2012, 11:14pm

Post #4 of 31 (442 views)
Shortcut
Nefarious? [In reply to] Can't Post

Magpie! You should know better than that (unless your post did not come across as intended). The Noldor created the Palantiri as magical communication devices. There was nothing inherently nefarious about them.

'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 22 2012, 11:53pm

Post #5 of 31 (420 views)
Shortcut
I believe that was a typo [In reply to] Can't Post

Based on the context clues, it looks as if "not created for nefarious purposes" was the intended remark...


Magpie
Immortal


Sep 23 2012, 12:21am

Post #6 of 31 (405 views)
Shortcut
yes... a typo [In reply to] Can't Post

I seem to be particularly prone to make that particular sort of typo - forgetting to put the negative in when I mean to.

It's a really bad type of typo to make!



LOTR soundtrack website ~ magpie avatar gallery
TORn History Mathom-house ~ Torn Image Posting Guide


Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Sep 23 2012, 12:23am

Post #7 of 31 (429 views)
Shortcut
The Palantir [In reply to] Can't Post

The Palantir in The Lord of the Rings was not initially a tool of evil, but taken by the traitor Saruman to communicate with Sauron.
So, technically, you're both correct.




Magpie
Immortal


Sep 23 2012, 12:26am

Post #8 of 31 (416 views)
Shortcut
We don't actually disagree... I just made a typo in my answer! [In reply to] Can't Post

It was *not* created for nefarious purposes.

that's what I get for not proofreading twice. Let up on the obsession just a little and see what happens?



LOTR soundtrack website ~ magpie avatar gallery
TORn History Mathom-house ~ Torn Image Posting Guide


Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Sep 23 2012, 12:46am

Post #9 of 31 (405 views)
Shortcut
Typo [In reply to] Can't Post

Ah, well, typos happen, don't worry about it.




Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Sep 23 2012, 1:21am

Post #10 of 31 (380 views)
Shortcut
Yes... [In reply to] Can't Post

Hence my parenthetical comment.

'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White


Solicitr
Lorien

Sep 23 2012, 1:30am

Post #11 of 31 (395 views)
Shortcut
Not originally [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
The Palantir in The Lord of the Rings was not initially a tool of evil, but taken by the traitor Saruman to communicate with Sauron.
So, technically, you're both correct.


No, It was taken by Saruman to use for his own purposes, scrying the lands independent of other Stones; inevitably however he was snared by Sauron, the stronger will. The same thing happened to Denethor.


Harold.of.Whoa
Rivendell


Sep 23 2012, 9:46pm

Post #12 of 31 (384 views)
Shortcut
Back to the original topic [In reply to] Can't Post

Although it does not deal directly with the weight idea, there is a Ring-Palantir connection in the film that is not so subtle. When Gandalf reaches for the Ring on the floor of Bag End, there is a flash of the Eye and a noise, and Gandalf draws his had back. When Gandalf covers the Palantir in Orthanc, pretty much the same thing happens.

I interpret the this as emphasis on the notion that these objects represent a direct and dangerous link back to Sauron.


Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Sep 23 2012, 10:03pm

Post #13 of 31 (371 views)
Shortcut
Interesting connection [In reply to] Can't Post

That's a great connection. Although I had noticed the similarities with the two and The Eye, it has never really occurred to me how both serve as a link between Sauron and the world outside of his realm. Both the Ring and the Palantír were also tools that were tempting to use, such as the Frodo with the Ring and Pippin and the Palantír.


'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'


Loresilme
Valinor


Sep 24 2012, 6:57pm

Post #14 of 31 (377 views)
Shortcut
Well, yes there is that subtle and fleeting glimpse of [In reply to] Can't Post

The Wielding of the Caliginous Carrot Tongue





Does that count Wink?



Noel Q. von Schneiffel
Rivendell


Sep 24 2012, 7:18pm

Post #15 of 31 (361 views)
Shortcut
Weeelll... [In reply to] Can't Post

...It is certainly true that Peter Jackson, in the shape he was in at the beginning of the LotR filming, would drop with "a profound weight" - carrot inside him or not Angelic



The Glorious Truth of J.R.R. Tolkien
Radiates from his Holy Writings


http://www.tolkientruth.info/


Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Sep 24 2012, 7:53pm

Post #16 of 31 (304 views)
Shortcut
That darn carrot [In reply to] Can't Post

Haha poor Pete. He's really done well losing weight though. And the carrot of doom, the true villain of Middle Earth- cast it into your mouth, Peter, destroy it! Evil


'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'


Loresilme
Valinor


Sep 24 2012, 11:04pm

Post #17 of 31 (325 views)
Shortcut
"But the peeling of the Carrot [In reply to] Can't Post

could not be undone." Wink



(This post was edited by Loresilme on Sep 24 2012, 11:05pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 24 2012, 11:46pm

Post #18 of 31 (312 views)
Shortcut
That's not quite right [In reply to] Can't Post

Saruman used the palantir for his own exploratory purposes, and was eventually overpowered by Sauron, who was also in control of a palantir, and was able to project his will through it...


Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Sep 25 2012, 1:59am

Post #19 of 31 (309 views)
Shortcut
'Peter kept the carrot... [In reply to] Can't Post

…But it led to his own destruction.'
That would make one very interesting film.
Smile


'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'


Noel Q. von Schneiffel
Rivendell


Sep 25 2012, 6:08am

Post #20 of 31 (341 views)
Shortcut
It was grown near the fires of Mount Doom... [In reply to] Can't Post

...Only there can it be cooked.



The Glorious Truth of J.R.R. Tolkien
Radiates from his Holy Writings


http://www.tolkientruth.info/


Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Sep 25 2012, 7:35pm

Post #21 of 31 (335 views)
Shortcut
'The carrot cannot be cooked, Gimli, son of Gloin...' [In reply to] Can't Post

'... By any craft we here possess...'
*Sam puts down his pots and pans*
:)


'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'


Loresilme
Valinor


Sep 26 2012, 3:47pm

Post #22 of 31 (267 views)
Shortcut
"One of - no, not you, Sam - must do this dinner." // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Sep 27 2012, 2:19am

Post #23 of 31 (294 views)
Shortcut
*silence in the counsel*... [In reply to] Can't Post

'One does not simply cook a carrot, there is a recipe that does not sleep.'
This is getting strange...Wink


'I will take it! I will take the Ring to Mordor- though, I do not know the way...'


Loresilme
Valinor


Sep 28 2012, 9:35pm

Post #24 of 31 (234 views)
Shortcut
And the great Timer is ever watchful // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



Loresilme
Valinor


Sep 28 2012, 9:36pm

Post #25 of 31 (237 views)
Shortcut
Not with ten thousand men could you stew this // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


First page Previous page 1 2 Next page Last page  View All
 
 

Search for (options) Powered by Gossamer Forum v.1.2.3

home | advertising | contact us | back to top | search news | join list | Content Rating

This site is maintained and updated by fans of The Lord of the Rings, and is in no way affiliated with Tolkien Enterprises or the Tolkien Estate. We in no way claim the artwork displayed to be our own. Copyrights and trademarks for the books, films, articles, and other promotional materials are held by their respective owners and their use is allowed under the fair use clause of the Copyright Law. Design and original photography however are copyright © 1999-2012 TheOneRing.net. Binary hosting provided by Nexcess.net

Do not follow this link, or your host will be blocked from this site. This is a spider trap.