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My hope for a Dorwinion Wine and Mirkwood Elves scene...


Sep 22 2012, 7:28pm

Post #1 of 11 (988 views)
My hope for a Dorwinion Wine and Mirkwood Elves scene... Can't Post

In the books, the Mirkwood Elves are having a feast and break out some "Dorwinion Wine" (from somewhere south near the sea of Rhun). The captain of the guards decides to sample it with the butler, but they've only got big flagons to drink out of....you're actually supposed to sip it out of tiny shotglasses, so they quickly drink too much and pass out/dose off, giving Bilbo the opportunity to steal the keys to the dungeon.

Now, in ROTK: EE, there was that joke that Legolas didn't know what a drinking contest was, but that he can drink a lot of alcohol before he even feels tipsy, while after the same amount (several dozen mugs of bear) Gimli passes out. At first, I was annoyed by this scene, because we know Elves *can* get drunk from The Hobbit....however on closer inspection I realized that Tolkien makes an aside in The Hobbit that "it takes strong wine indeed" to affect Elves (thus its entirely in keeping that Legolas would outlast Gimli in a drinking contest), but he explicitly says that Dorwinion wine is strong even by Elf standards.

****Anyway, I have this mental image of how I hope this scene gets included and directed:

*the captain of the guards and the butler have the same dialogue as in the books, making it a point that "well, all I could find to drink out of were these big flagons" and emphasizing that they fill these 12 inch-tall containers to the brim.
*Just as they knock back the flagons and start drinking, we do a quick-cut away, back to the main feast, at Thranduil's table.
***As a CALLBACK to ROTK: EE, we see Legolas carefully pouring Dorwinion wine into a dainty, tiny shotglass the size of a thimble (to let us know its Dorwinion Wine the container should have a symbol of some kind on it that the butler pointed out to the captain).
*Legolas carefully takes a tiny sip from the thimble-sized shotglass.
*Legolas does a double-take as if he's been kicked by a mule (maybe even a spit take), swallows hard, and then (for comic effect) in ELVISH, and thus SUBTITLED, he turns to Tauriel and says "This is strong wine!" --- for added effect, put in parentheses to imply that he was cursing, i.e. "(This is strong wine!)" or "(This wine is very strong!)".

So this would be a visual way to explain to the viewers that the butler and captain are unintentionally drinking a large amount of extremely strong wine, thus accidentally passing out while on duty, and at the same time it would be a callback to ROTK:EE for the fans.

That's how I picture it anyway.

ReVolution of Evangelion

Formerly known on TORN as "Draug the Unspeakably Violent"


Sep 22 2012, 7:36pm

Post #2 of 11 (387 views)
That would be funny [In reply to] Can't Post

Interesting thought's _V_, I enjoyed reading that, I felt just like I was watching a scene from a movie due to your great descriptions.


Sep 22 2012, 8:44pm

Post #3 of 11 (348 views)
Very funny idea [In reply to] Can't Post

I think showing legolas strongly affected is a great way of hitting home that this wine is VERY potent, so however the scene goes this is a great idea.


Sep 22 2012, 8:54pm

Post #4 of 11 (340 views)
Would love to see it. [In reply to] Can't Post

Certainly elves can be very serious when times call for it, but they can also be very merry when times call for it. We didn't get to see much of their merry side in LOTR, so I hope to see more of it in the Hobbit.

Valandil ed Imladris

Sep 22 2012, 9:08pm

Post #5 of 11 (336 views)
thanks for that [In reply to] Can't Post

I can really picture it and I think it would be a great nod to both: the hobbit book and the EE of ROTK :)

Tol Eressea

Sep 22 2012, 10:22pm

Post #6 of 11 (365 views)
Another way to emphasise how strong it is: [In reply to] Can't Post

While in the wine cellar, one of the dwarves (maybe Bofur) takes a big gulp and his eyes go wide open and he makes a remark.

Your idea is good as well.

Aragalen the Green

Sep 23 2012, 12:43am

Post #7 of 11 (301 views)
Warning labels: [In reply to] Can't Post

"consumption of alcoholic beverages may cause dizziness, drowsiness, explosive decompression, and a tendency to talk and laugh loudly".

Frito groaned. "I wish I had never been born," he said.

"Do not say that, dear Frito," cried Orlon. "It was a happy minute for us all when you were born."


Sep 23 2012, 12:48am

Post #8 of 11 (296 views)
Great idea {NT} [In reply to] Can't Post



Sep 23 2012, 8:56am

Post #9 of 11 (276 views)
Alcohol may affect silvian elves [In reply to] Can't Post

like the guard and the butler more than Sindar like Legolas.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Sep 23 2012, 9:20am

Post #10 of 11 (261 views)
From a dramatic point of view [In reply to] Can't Post

it might be better if Bilbo is more proactive, and less dependant on luck. So he could drug the wine, or switch the labels on bottles, and keep topping up glasses (invisibly).

A Far Dragon is the best kind...

The Shire

Sep 25 2012, 11:30pm

Post #11 of 11 (188 views)
I like it. [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile But I think a "thimble" sized glass might be a bit too small. Maybe something like an after-dinner brandy glass? They'd need to be careful to keep the size in drinking vessel to a reasonable difference, or it seems like it would go from funny to absurd.


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