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Elutherian
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Sep 22 2012, 1:45am
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I finally got a blu-ray player, and I want to get the Extended Editions of LOTR on blu-ray disc.... they came out about a year ago in a set.
But I keep hearing about a green tint on some scenes in FOTR. Is this for the EE or the TE blu-rays?
The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...
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JWPlatt
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Sep 22 2012, 1:48am
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It is on the EE Blu-ray, Fellowship of the Ring only.
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Elutherian
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Sep 22 2012, 1:59am
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Or is it even worth it to buy the set?
The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...
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JWPlatt
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Sep 22 2012, 3:45am
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It seems to be very subjective, perhaps depending on sensitivities of either the viewer or the equipment.
I'm not buying it until Peter Jackson personally and directly addresses the issue with fans. Neither he nor the studio has done that. They've only addressed the color grading - a different issue. If nothing comes of it, I will not be buying it until there is some ultimate Middle Earth EE collection out on Blu-ray for both trilogies. By then it would be fixed or become clear that nothing will ever be done about it.
In the meantime, the single editions of each film are out and those who are bothered by green titles, fades to green (instead of white), and inconsistencies between the green-tinted film and flashbacks in the later films and the disk menus have been buying The Two Towers and Return of the King separately on Blu-ray and watching their existing EE DVD of Fellowship of the Ring. There is no question that the superior images and sound from the Blu-rays are worth the purchase of at least the last two films.
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Elutherian
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Sep 22 2012, 4:16am
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I went ahead and bought it anyways.
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If I'm getting them in blu-ray, I'm getting them all that way.
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macfalk
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Sep 22 2012, 7:51am
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 22 2012, 7:25pm
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I noticed it without the comparison
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But then again, I have a keen interest in cinematography, and pick up on this stuff immediately.
Different people have reacted differently to the green tint. That's all we can really say...
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Kendalf
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Sep 23 2012, 3:12pm
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Sigh (about the tint, not the question, Elutherian!)
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Despite the fact that there are two or three different opinions expressed here...they're all correct!
If you're a casual movie fan, the tint may not bother you; in fact, you may not even notice it. But, if like many others (like SA and JW have professed above), you're a bit of a movie or AV enthusiast / aficionado / obsessive / geek (delete as appropriate), it'll drive you nuts.
And I mean nuts 
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Patty
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Sep 26 2012, 6:36pm
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Macfalk, you might want to avoid threads with this title if it annoys you. But for many fans
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this is an unresolved issue that we feel the need to vent about. And besides, the question was asked by someone with only a vague reference to having heard about the issue and wanting to know more. He deserved an answer.
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burgahobbit
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Sep 26 2012, 7:30pm
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Off topic, but I really would like to know
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Do the Blu-ray extended editions have new scenes added to them or not? I've found contradicting answers on the web, but I knew I could set the record straight for myself if I asked here. Thanks!
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Silverlode
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Sep 27 2012, 3:06am
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Some people apparently hadn't remembered some scenes as clearly (hence the contradicting answers here and there), but nothing was added/changed.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 27 2012, 6:19am
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I don't "look" for these things. I just see them, without making any effort.
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burgahobbit
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Sep 27 2012, 12:34pm
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What's odd is that both IMDb and Wikipedia state that the running time for the blu-ray is longer. Of course I know that these sites are very unreliable, but you'd think after such a long time they'd have it right. Thanks for clearing it up for me.  Now I don't have to rush out and get a blu-ray player...just yet.
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Elutherian
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Sep 27 2012, 4:33pm
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I noticed when I got the blu-rays just yesterday...
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...the listed running time is longer. But all the extended scenes remain the same according to the paper that came with it.
What's up with that? Are they just now counting the Credits?
The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...
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Lindele
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Sep 27 2012, 5:47pm
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If fans don't have something to complain about
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...things get really boring.
The EE Blu-rays are phenomenal. The green tint does not in any way make the film look worse.
WORTH EVERY PENNY.
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Sep 28 2012, 1:19am
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Yes, they're probably counting the Fan Credits.
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When they showed the Blu-Rays in theaters as a promo for their release, they included the 19 minutes of fan credits in the running time. I don't think they did that for previous versions. It's a bit misleading.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 28 2012, 1:22am
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On the person.
For me, the green tint makes the FOTR EE blu-ray almost unwatchable, even though Rivendell has been dramatically improved.
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Sep 28 2012, 1:22am
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I don't even own the Theatrical cuts of the movies, so I'm extremely familiar with the EEs. When I saw the Blu-Rays, it all seemed perfectly familiar to me. Maybe people who haven't watched them as much or have watched the TEs more than I have simply weren't as familiar with the extended scenes? It's hard to say.
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Spaldron
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Sep 30 2012, 4:27am
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If you're a casual movie fan, the tint may not bother you; in fact, you may not even notice it. But, if like many others (like SA and JW have professed above), you're a bit of a movie or AV enthusiast / aficionado / obsessive / geek (delete as appropriate), it'll drive you nuts. And I mean nuts
Not true, I'm a bit of a nut on AV and I can state there is no green tint, its a myth.
The only people who see it are those viewing it on a sub-standard set which hasn't been properly calibrated. If you're watching it on a calibrated set or on a projector then the only difference you will notice compared to the dvd EE set is a vastly improved colour grading (due to them having to upgrade the 2k master as TTT and ROTK were mastered at a higher res than FOTR {this was down to the changing technology of the time}).
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JWPlatt
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Sep 30 2012, 5:44am
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You've said this before.
http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=483709#483709
It was refuted here and elsewhere and yet you continue to essentially call people liars and blame it on imaginary complaints and hallucinations, or blame the equipment that plays every other movie just fine, of a great many individuals who had no other expectation than to watch a good movie on Blu-ray.
The last time you claimed this is a "myth," you had hearsay experts who you "have spoken to who have much more AV knowledge than [you] have..." And now you are a "bit" of an expert too. Please, let's have your objective test results, or those from your "people" refuting the reality.
I'll quote my previous response:
I'll just comment that your claim of "experts" is dubious because your arguments indicate an ignorance of tangible facts. One of them is that the tint is objectively measurable by equipment as proved on some of those same forums. Another is that a manufacturing artifact can be introduced after director approval of the transfer. A third is that you simultaneously blame perception of something that isn't there and tell us to adjust our TVs to ameliorate something that is. Your "expert" sources? It's easy to write the word "expert" in a post, but I won't believe that particular claim without seeing their published work, credentials and proof that it is unbiased.
Let me know when you and your so-called experts release as much objective study and data on the problem as is already out there documenting this "myth." I don't honestly believe you could have posted with your baseless claim for any other objective or intellectual motivation here other than to simply "disagree" again.
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Kendalf
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Sep 30 2012, 12:49pm
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Even the new colour grading is questionable in places
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I'm a bit of a nut on AV and I can state there is no green tint, its a myth.
The only people who see it are those viewing it on a sub-standard set which hasn't been properly calibrated. If you're watching it on a calibrated set or on a projector then the only difference you will notice compared to the dvd EE set is a vastly improved colour grading If you really are of the belief that the green tint is "a myth", then I'm not going to get into a debate with you over it. If all the evidence in all the forums (as well as the slightly bizarre notion that people's screens somehow decalibrate themselves when showing FotR and then recalibrate themselves to acceptable standards when showing anything else) hasn't convinced you, I'm certainly not going to, either. However, as an interesting aside, I would actually like to take issue with your claim that the new colour grading is "vastly improved". There is widespread agreement, granted, from fans and critics alike, that the Last Alliance prologue and the sojourn in Rivendell in particular have both benefitted enormously from the re-grading, but much, much less conformity of opinion when it comes to substantial parts of the rest of the film. Hobbiton, Orthanc, Caradhras, Midgewater and more all boast, in many fans' eyes, far, far too high a level of green or teal or blue respectively and the increased contrast (and consequent darkening of the image) has been a major bugbear for others. The neutral, naturalistic palette of the original (which Towers and King still have!!!!!!) has been completely erased and I, for one, don't consider blue snow*, blue eyballs**, variable lighting***, chameleon waistcoats**** and radioactive foliage***** a "vast improvement". By the looks of things, it would appear now that there's some truth to those rumours last June that Jackson had done this to FotR in order to blend it more closely with his new Hobbit movies. What a shame, then, that he didn't apply the new palette to the entire trilogy; at least then he would have preserved some modicum of aesthetic continuity. *Aeriel shot of the Fellowship ascending Caradhras **Close-ups of Frodo and Merry discussing whether Strider is fair or foul ***Saruman is bathed in blue in Orthanc in the new FotR but not in the identical (or at least very similar) shot in TT ****Merry's waistcoat is orange as he watches Boromir fall in the new FotR yet still yellow in the flashback in RotK *****Just about any shot in Hobbiton; hiding from the Black Rider beneath the tree root
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Kendalf
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Sep 30 2012, 9:46pm
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Apologies - copied and edited for clarity
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THIS IS (HOPEFULLY) A CLEARER VERSION OF THE ABOVE TEXT WITH THE PROPER FORMATTING (IF IT WORKS THIS TIME)
If you really are of the belief that the green tint is "a myth", then I'm not going to get into a debate with you over it. If all the evidence in all the forums (as well as the slightly bizarre notion that people's screens somehow decalibrate themselves when showing FotR and then recalibrate themselves to acceptable standards when showing anything else) hasn't convinced you, I'm certainly not going to, either.
However, as an interesting aside, I would actually like to take issue with your claim that the new colour grading is "vastly improved". There is widespread agreement, granted, from fans and critics alike, that the Last Alliance prologue and the sojourn in Rivendell in particular have both benefitted enormously from the re-grading, but much, much less conformity of opinion when it comes to substantial parts of the rest of the film.
Hobbiton, Orthanc, Caradhras, Midgewater and more all boast, in many fans' eyes, far, far too high a level of green or teal or blue respectively and the increased contrast (and consequent darkening of the image) has been a major bugbear for others. The neutral, naturalistic palette of the original (which Towers and King still have!!!!!!) has been completely erased and I, for one, don't consider blue snow*, blue eyballs**, variable lighting***, chameleon waistcoats**** and radioactive foliage***** a "vast improvement".
By the looks of things, it would appear now that there's some truth to those rumours last June that Jackson had done this to FotR in order to blend it more closely with his new Hobbit movies. What a shame, then, that he didn't apply the new palette to the entire trilogy; at least then he would have preserved some modicum of aesthetic continuity.
*Aeriel shot of the Fellowship ascending Caradhras
**Close-ups of Frodo and Merry discussing whether Strider is fair or foul
***Saruman is bathed in blue in Orthanc in the new FotR but not in the identical (or at least very similar) shot in TT
****Merry's waistcoat is orange as he watches Boromir fall in the new FotR yet still yellow in the flashback in RotK
*****Just about any shot in Hobbiton; hiding from the Black Rider beneath the tree root
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