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Scenes in the Hobbit films that will affect how you watch the Rings films!!
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Avnar
Lorien


Sep 22 2012, 3:10am

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Scenes in the Hobbit films that will affect how you watch the Rings films!! Can't Post

I was just thinking about some of the scenes from the trailer, and one of them got me thinking -which scenes/parts of the Hobbit films will affect how you view the Rings films? Cool

The scene I am thinking about ***spoilers*** is where Gandalf breaks the big rock to let sunlight through against the trolls... Now at first I thought "that is really cool" but now I have realised something... Gandalf has done this before with the Balrog! "Yeah we know!!" you all say Tongue

I always thought (and I am probably alone here) that when Gandalf does his "You shall not pass" it does nothing what-so-ever and as the Balrog approaches him his WEIGHT is what brakes the bridge causing him (it?) to fall! Now I will watch that assuming Gandalf weakens the bridge (or cracks it) causing the Balrog to fall (same as the big rock in the Hobbit)

Thoughts?

*also the Balin death might actually be sad if he is an enjoyable character*


wendy woo
Rivendell


Sep 22 2012, 3:16am

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Agree with you about the Balin theory. [In reply to] Can't Post

And this would fit the book as well. Balin was the only Dwarf who acted as a genuine friend to Bilbo. He would deserve the sentiment. Oh, and BTW, you must remember that Gandalf carries the Elven fire ring and that is why he tends to bring light with him wherever he goes (think of his staff in Moria, the end of the Battle of Helm's Deep, his fireworks and his fire in the trees in the Hobbit).

"It's a queer country out here", Pa said. "Strange things happen."
"Yes", said Ma. "I'm thankful that so far they don't happen to us."

(This post was edited by wendy woo on Sep 22 2012, 3:24am)


Avnar
Lorien


Sep 22 2012, 3:19am

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Also, I hate to admit this... [In reply to] Can't Post

But I will be looking to see if the Trolls end up in the same stone formation we see them in Fellowship Blush

I am a "continuity nazi" !


(This post was edited by Avnar on Sep 22 2012, 3:23am)


wendy woo
Rivendell


Sep 22 2012, 3:25am

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I'll be looking, too! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thought of the same thing myself.

"It's a queer country out here", Pa said. "Strange things happen."
"Yes", said Ma. "I'm thankful that so far they don't happen to us."


thoon
Bree


Sep 22 2012, 3:59am

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All of them! But if I had to pick... [In reply to] Can't Post

Seeing Bilbo ready to strike Gollum down, only to hesitate... that's a scene that will have incredible ramifications right up until the end.

But I also expect to be surprised by which scenes stand out and make the later viewings of LotR different. There are great themes that run throughout Tolkien's works, and I hope they resonate through all the films. Moments like Bilbo running to catch up with the company look to be very fun, but I imagine there will be an element of seriousness to it all the same. Really, it's the beginning of the end (of the age), and I think it will be great to compare it to Frodo & Co.'s departure.

I dub these types of scenes the "footsteps of doom" moments, to quote Galadriel. :)


(This post was edited by thoon on Sep 22 2012, 4:01am)


duats
Grey Havens

Sep 22 2012, 4:56am

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Moria [In reply to] Can't Post

Balin's tomb, obviously. And while this is never alluded to in the film, the dead dwarf that is clutching the Book of Mazarbul is, in fact, Ori.

And I won't be able to watch the Watcher in the Lake scene without thinking about how Oin met his fate at the hands of that creature.


Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Sep 22 2012, 6:19am

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Two others that come to mind for me... [In reply to] Can't Post

...are the White Council and the "Riddles in the Dark. It will be interesting to see the how Gollum and Saruman change between films. From the moment we meet them in LOTR, they are bent on evil (Saruman allying w/ Sauron, Gollum's vicious attempts to retake the Ring).

Even though we will likely get glimpses of Saruman's selfish ambition in the Hobbit films, he will still be a "good guy." Christopher Lee did express his interest in portraying the uncorrupted side of the wizard. Gandalf's reaction to his corruption in FOTR will have more depth after seeing The Hobbit.

Gollum always has his devious side, but while he thinks he still has his "Precious" he will be the relatively carefree and curious creature that would, well, play a game of riddles with a Baggins rather than attempting to murder one. HIs so-called "cute" AUJ look fits here (prior to 60 years of aging, despair, spite, and eventually torture) in contrast to his LOTR form.


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 22 2012, 8:38am

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I think there will be a lot more connections than people are expecting [In reply to] Can't Post

Things that appear in LOTR will be shown/explained/etc. in The Hobbit.


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Valandil ed Imladris
Lorien


Sep 22 2012, 8:50am

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I do hope for lots of surprises [In reply to] Can't Post

bind the triogies together and make me happy. I wouldn't be unhappy if there were a few minutes of bridge-like character :)

hell, PJ can't resist, can he? ROTK ending comes to mind ... more more more, pls!


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Grey Havens


Sep 22 2012, 11:43am

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This one would be awesome [In reply to] Can't Post

Perhaps is the most important one amogst all the other connections

I can not guarantee his safety - understood...
Nor will I be responsible for his fate - Doh!


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Grey Havens


Sep 22 2012, 11:48am

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Iīm not shure [In reply to] Can't Post

If Elven ring of fire (Jhonny Cash here), leads Gandalf to do such things, itīsbeen reported that Radagast appears wearing this kind of gem that allows him to put some lght in the dark.
In the books, if I remember correctly itīs said that fire ring helps to bring hope and fire on the hearts of those who figth the enemy. So Gandalf uses it in secret assembling his plan to unite all free folks against Sauron.

But I actually donīt know if this ring is what allows him to make the pinecones burn on The Hobbit, in fact Iīm not shure when he picks up this ringUnsure

I can not guarantee his safety - understood...
Nor will I be responsible for his fate - Doh!


burgahobbit
Rohan


Sep 22 2012, 12:24pm

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Yeah, Bilbo staying his hand should be a great part! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Hanzkaz
Rohan

Sep 22 2012, 12:38pm

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IThe Balin's tomb scene - [In reply to] Can't Post

- will have more significance now. I wonder if they may alter that scene in future versions of FOTR to reflect that.


I'm also wondering if Glamdring will glow in the Hobbit movies and if they'll explain why it doesn't in the LOTR films.


xxxyyy
Rohan

Sep 22 2012, 1:04pm

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You are not alone :) (NT) [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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xxxyyy
Rohan

Sep 22 2012, 1:12pm

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Of course, Glamdring won't glow. [In reply to] Can't Post

So no need to explain why it won't in LOTR.
I think Glamdring "sings" when it's brought into action... I don't know, it becomes stronger? Makes the wielder stronger? More confident? I don't know... they'll come up with something.
They should also give Orcrist some (subtle, of course, not Hollywood style) special ability.
Giving all the three swords the same glowing power, I think it would be a missed chance to expand in a nice way Tolkien's universe.
Now excuse me but I have to prepare for the Purist Attack.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 22 2012, 1:12pm

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Does Radagast wear a "magical stone"? [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't remember this?


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Ardamírë
Valinor


Sep 22 2012, 3:13pm

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Yes [In reply to] Can't Post

I want this as well. Continuity rocks!



Valandil ed Imladris
Lorien


Sep 22 2012, 4:36pm

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Also Moria [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe I'll cry next time I see Balins tomb :')


Milknut
Rohan


Sep 22 2012, 4:46pm

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Be wary of too much of a good thing. [In reply to] Can't Post

When we get into the "PJ can't resist" territory, sketchy things have been known to occur.

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Valandil ed Imladris
Lorien


Sep 22 2012, 4:47pm

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I don't care [In reply to] Can't Post

For me, LOTR is perfect and I'm very happy with it, as I'm sure, will be the same with The Hobbit.


Milknut
Rohan


Sep 22 2012, 4:49pm

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I created a visualization of that very thing months ago. [In reply to] Can't Post

http://img.photobucket.com/...balinstombedited.png

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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 22 2012, 4:51pm

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Hilarious! / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Milknut
Rohan


Sep 22 2012, 4:55pm

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There are those lurking about who tend far more in this direction than me. [In reply to] Can't Post

I LOVE the LOTR films even though there are small things I don't like or would change. But I do get antsy when we talk about Phantom Menacing the Hobbit. I would much rather TH stand on its own and not rely on LOTR at all. I can't imagine why anyone would want to use their new film to explain things that do not need to be explained about an older film. Let LOTR be LOTR and simply make TH, I say.

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Escapist
Gondor


Sep 22 2012, 4:59pm

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It's like how the calories fall out of chocolate cookies when you crack them in half. [In reply to] Can't Post

When there are two separate stories that have a relationship to each other, some catharsis / meaning / story elements are all lost when the relevant connections are left unmade.

It's a sad thing, really. Although in many cases because of cultural disparities or differences in creative direction or leadership such connections are simply impossible to make, here we have a case where it is possible to make those connections and have the extra catharsis / meaning / story elements.

I'd say grab it when you can because most of the time you can't!


Milknut
Rohan


Sep 22 2012, 5:06pm

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Sorry, I just don't buy it. [In reply to] Can't Post

Some necessary connections, sure. Radagast as the moth? Not so much. I guarantee, you'd be hard-pressed to find a theater-goer scratching their head as they leave and saying "it was all right but I'd really hoped for them to explain the moth." But I would also argue that hints of the ring's true power would be misplaced. This is probably one of the connections they will be unable to resist but I would actually find the film diminished because of it. It's important to me as a viewer that what is not known at the time of TH stays unknown. To have anachronistic hints would spoil the soup for me. Remember what happened to the dwarves when they "delved too greedily and too deep?"

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