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Ardamírë
Doriath
Sep 20 2012, 7:13pm
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And I'm hoping there's much more of that sinister Gollum in the movie.
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mefansmum
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Sep 20 2012, 7:13pm
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I am only a Tolkien amateur but I don't see how we can expect anything else but some polar extreme views, along with everything in between, given that people are coming from so many variations of Middle Earth knowledge and interpretations of the knowledge they do have, as well as personal taste, imagination and probably lots of other factors that affect how they receive what is presented.
People feel how they feel and no matter what that is we are all allowed to comment on the topic and other people's comments. Whenever I feel a bit overwhelmed by negative reactions on anything, I tend to be happy I am not feeling the same way, it is more fun enjoying something. IN the case of The Hobbit my expectations are looking on track, possibly an advantage of being at a lower level of expertise. 
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Sep 20 2012, 7:20pm
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Seemed to me to be a trailer with a strong focus on Bilbo and the enormity of the world beyond his Shire.
My own view, and this seems to be supported by the conflicting views on the "disappointed thread", is that the trailer strikes a positive balance between the lighter Hobbit and an ME established by LOTR. The idea that some are unhappy that it is far too close in tone to LOTR and some are unhappy that it is far too distant in tone from LOTR speaks to me of a happy balance.
I am surprised to see grumbles about the humour. Whilst not all is aimed at grumpy, dry as the dust disturbed by Tolkien spinning in his grave at beards of incorrect lengths and the absence of tassels, English folks like me, Freeman does a very good line in just the right sort of stuff (ably assisted by Mckellen and Stott). Tonally spot on from what small glimpses here. I do hope it isn't in fact too English for a global palate.
All in all I suspect, having seen the trailer, will go and see the film.
LR
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Hithlum
Sep 20 2012, 7:30pm
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Never mind about that I want to know why
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The dwarves have been completely cut from the Trolls scene? And why do only Bilbo, Thorin and Balin go to Rivendell? And they have cut the bit where Bilbo finds the ring!
Im starting to think a two and a half minute film is just too short, if they have to cut all this stuff out.
LR
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Tim
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Sep 20 2012, 7:34pm
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I spilled my beverage.
King Arthur: You know much that is hidden oh Tim.
Tim: Quite.
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elanesse
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Sep 20 2012, 7:34pm
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anyone else thinks that galadriel sounds like the borg-queen?
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i wonder why they put that robotic-metallic soundeffect on her...
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Ardamírë
Doriath
Sep 20 2012, 7:39pm
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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic toward me
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or just in general, or if I'm just reading you wrong.
I've already stated I'll wait to see the film before making a decision on whether or not I like it.
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elanesse
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Sep 20 2012, 7:39pm
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when/before she says "Mithrandir"
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Ardamírë
Doriath
Sep 20 2012, 7:42pm
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making her voice really deep.
I don't like the weird sound effect we hear right before we see her, though. It seems like a weird teleporting metallic sound. Too sci-fi for me.
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droidsocket
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Sep 20 2012, 7:44pm
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that people have there own feelings. It is not acceptable to always express those feeling. As a Canadian it is not acceptable to express your feeling if they are racist, prejudice, or some form of slander against another person. I know that this example is not the same as expressing ones feeling about something as irrelevant as a movie. But I am just trying to display that there are lines that should not be crossed.
Online forums are easy to express our deepest feeling without a concern on how the words we use can affect other people.
And it is of my opinion that the lengths to which some people feel they need to express there feeling are pushing the line on what is acceptable in an open forum that is meant for fans.
There is a difference in expressing that you are not happy with what you see and "beating a dead horse" over and over again. I feel the same way about people that choose to over express their love for and devotion on how PJ can do no wrong. Tho I find positivity or too much positivity seldom affects people in a negative way, where as too much negativity does affect those around it.
As my Pappy all ways said; One spoiled apple ruins the bunch!
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Ardamírë
Doriath
Sep 20 2012, 8:09pm
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I'm not looking forward to the mood swings
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I just wanted creepy, "I'm gonna eat you" Gollum from the book. But the trailer showed that's obviously not happening.
And I think that's a legit reason to be concerned.
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easterlingchief1
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Sep 20 2012, 8:27pm
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Middle Earth hedgehogs, you say?
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If they're anything like Middle Earth's version of pachyderms, then they ought to be the size of a golden retriever.
Rats. Now I want to see a hedgehog the size of a golden retriever 
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Snaga
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Sep 20 2012, 8:33pm
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Has me scratching my head too...
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The one that makes me laugh the most is people complaining about RA as Thorin, you only heard a couple of sentences in two and a half minutes from an entire trilogy. I think he going to be a badass. I like his reaction to Elrond about going into the mountain, I think he is going to be tough, and loyal, always how I imagined him. I cant wait to see him get pissed over the arkenstone. If anything about the various reactions on these boards sends home the idea that it's all a matter of taste, it would have to be Armitage as Thorin. I was in the camp that was originally concerned about how they cast Thorin, but after seeing what they've done with the part and getting a glimpse of Armitage in action I am completely stoked!! Sure he doesn't resemble the Thorin I had pictured in my head while reading the book, but I can just tell that his on-screen ability and vocal authority it going to define Thorin as far as these movies are concerned.
"Alas for Boromir! It was too sore a trial!"
-Faramir
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Lissuin
Doriath
Sep 20 2012, 8:38pm
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Loved the 5 alternate endings.
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It was so PJ and crew and their delight in surprises. "How can we make this more fun for ourselves and everybody? How about an alternate ending? No, wait! How about FIVE alternate endings?!"
I'm nestling into Middle-earth again - corny phrase, I know, but that's how it feels. Bag End is home, and Rivendell is just over the hills and is just as beautiful and wondrous as before. Bilbo's reaction to all that happens to him is exactly how I think the Professor wanted him to react - with wonder, puzzlement and awe and fear with courage. And the Landscapes are there! Yep, I'm back.
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Lacrimae Rerum
Hithlum
Sep 20 2012, 8:39pm
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I would be very surprised if the scene were one-note.
I can't quite work out if some of the darkly humorous elements Tolkien employs in the scene are now too anachronistic to be recognised or if there is a prefence for less nuanced interpretations but it often seems to be overlooked.
Similarly Gollum's disingenuous presentation seems to be forgotten, the ebb and flow of tensions within the scene smoothed out and evocation of Gollum as both a child-like and a threatening figure amputated.
But I might be reading it wrong!
LR
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Snaga
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Sep 20 2012, 8:47pm
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Yes, we're dealing with a different Gollum here
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(We have to consider that Gollum/Smeagol of LOTR is the base character here. If he doesn't line-up with the saucer-eyed, hissing, paddle-handed creature from the pages of Riddles in the Dark for some, that is an expectation and argument whose time has long since passed. Given what we know of PJ's Gollum from LOTR, I think they went the right way with him here. For instance, he hasn't lost the Ring yet, he's not very hungry at the moment (according to Tolkien), and he has Bilbo at his mercy in the dark as it were. All these factors would account for his comparatively friendlier countenance in TH. That is to say, he should seem friendlier than the strung out, starving, escapee of Sauron's dungeon we encounter in TTT. imho 
Think of him in LOTR as a heroin addict who is going through withdrawal. He has been 60 years without the ring, forced into the world, taken and tortured in Mordor. Far, far more wretched than he would have been when Bilbo first dealt with him.
In Riddles in the Dark Gollum was more or less content and in his own element (a place he had lived for centuries), had just eaten a 'squeaker', and was probably feeling pretty confident of himself in his dealings with Bilbo. Of course he was wretched none the less, and Bilbo got a glimpse of that before his escape, but definitely a different Gollum here than in the trilogy.
"Alas for Boromir! It was too sore a trial!"
-Faramir
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Shelob'sAppetite
Doriath
Sep 20 2012, 9:58pm
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I think a lot of it has to do with the hyper-smooth, silky look
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And not necessarily the CGI.
It may be the case that digital film, at 5K resolution, almost destroys shadows, and renders much else over-bright. For me, that is the main reason this looks Narnia-esque. There are virtually no shadows (in Goblin Town, for example, you can see everything with a great amount of detail, even in the deep, deep distance), and everything is quite bright and glossy.
Too much detail all over the composition can both kill composition, and act as sensory overload. To me, I got a very similar feeling to playing a video game. It just doesn't see authentic, or cinematic.
We'll see. Perhaps PJ will tone down the brightness, and deepen the shadows?
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Shelob'sAppetite
Doriath
Sep 20 2012, 11:03pm
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Are the two in the fir trees in the moonlight - the first with Thorin and the second with Gandalf. The colors, the lighting (a glorious moonlit night, marred by fire), and everything about it, exceeded my own imagination.
If a large percentage of the films are of that quality, I will not be disappointed.
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tolkiennerd
Menegroth
Sep 21 2012, 1:54am
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Looks like the film is not going to be a word for word adaptation but still stick to the plot of the book. As for humor well humor was the reason I love the book.
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