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Sarumans Uruk- Hai VS. Saurons Orcs

iandea14
Rivendell


Sep 11 2012, 5:10pm

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The Uruk-Hai were better armed and were bigger and stronger but the orcs of Mordor were battle hardened and had numbers.


Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Sep 11 2012, 6:52pm

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Sauron attacks Gondor with a force of 600,000 Orcs! Compare that to Saruman's army of 10,000 Uruk-Hai and it's clear that numbers will happily win the day on this one.Wink

"Radagast is, of course, a worthy wizard, a master of shapes and changes of hue, and he has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends."-Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings.


iandea14
Rivendell


Sep 12 2012, 6:25am

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I don't think so, according to the Atlas Of Middle Earth there were only 45,000 orcs.


Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Sep 12 2012, 4:18pm

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Actually thinking back I heard that statement on one of the DVD extras of LOTR ROTK (the theatrical release). Still, I think that 45,000 Orcs would happily win against 10,000 Uruk-Hai.

"Radagast is, of course, a worthy wizard, a master of shapes and changes of hue, and he has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends."-Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings.


iandea14
Rivendell


Sep 12 2012, 8:59pm

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Uruk-Hai are more powerful and I believe Saruman was making then at a faster rate than Sauron.


iandea14
Rivendell


Sep 12 2012, 9:00pm

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Sauron also didn't send his forces from Mordor only from Minas Morgul so Sauron would have a quite larger army.


BrendanRawa
The Shire

Sep 12 2012, 9:16pm

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I don't think so, according to the Atlas Of Middle Earth there were only 45,000 orcs.


The lord of the rings wiki says 200,000 for the movie, 100,000 in the books. Now I'm not saying the lord of the rings wiki is more accurate than the atlas of middle earth, quite the opposite I'd say, but still...makes me wonder where they got those numbers at...


Felagund
Lorien


Sep 12 2012, 9:44pm

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I don't think the number of Orcs at the battle was given by Tolkien. Numbers are given for the Gondorian reinforcements (2,700) and the Rohirrim (6,000) but the only part of the Witch-king's army that is counted out is the Haradrim contingent that Thoden goes up against (about 18,000 - or 'thrice' the number of Rohirrim).

If Saruman can put together 10,000 Orcs (plus Dunlendings) I reckon you can extrapolate a far larger number for Sauron's Orcish hordes - of which only a portion sallied forth against Minas Tirith. The 6,000 or so under Aragorn's command at the Battle of the Morannon were literally swamped by the Orcs of Mordor and the Easterlings - even after the losses suffered by Sauron on the Pelennor Fields.

Welcome to the Mordorfone network, where we put the 'hai' back into Uruk


BrendanRawa
The Shire

Sep 12 2012, 9:55pm

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Don't forget [In reply to] Can't Post

That Sauron also had his own Uruk-Hai in his army. So Sauron definitely wins this


Durin's Folk
The Shire


Oct 23 2012, 4:29am

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Uruk-hai are a nearly perfect specimen for combat. They are bigger, faster and stronger than the orcs. Besides orcs are scared of light which gives the uruk-hai a bonus advantage. Remember the movies folks. The Uruk-hai were eating them outside the Fangorn forest before the Rohirrim arrived for Gods sake. An uruk-hai could easily kill 3 to 5 orcs and then eat them.

"But a small dark figure that none had observed sprang out of the shadows and gave a hoarse shout: 'Baruk Khazd! Khazd ai-mnu!' An axe swung and swept back. Two Orcs fell headless. The rest fled."


iandea14
Rivendell


Nov 12 2012, 1:07am

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That's what I was thinking too!


BeornBerserker
Lorien

Nov 20 2012, 2:12pm

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