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Lost LOTR footage with singing Dwarves?


Sep 3 2012, 10:23pm

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Lost LOTR footage with singing Dwarves? Can't Post

I just ran across a couple of old Spy Reports from 1999. It's about the LOTR movies but kind of interesting in regards to The Hobbit so I'm putting it on Main.

These are spy reports. Veracity unknown.

Singing Dwarves?
Dwane Dipply @ 3:05 pm EST
From: Underhill
i thought your readers would want to know that the dwarves filmed at harcourt park were SINGING! We could hear them clearly singing some medievel-sounding tune. It was little weird.

More Singing Dwarves
Dwane Dipply @ 4:45 pm EST
From: Dernhelm
A friend of mine lives close to Harcourt Park, and he says he also heard Dwarfes singing there. He wasn't quite sure what is was that they were singing but says he recalls the lines:

"Dwarfes we are, brave and bold,
we swing our axes and search for gold"

This is all I know I'm afraid,
I hope it can be of some interest.

10/29/99, 2:55 pm EST - Xoanon
Rookie Ringer Spy Aiglos Sent me the following.
The scene being shot today (29th) in Harcourt Park is part of the prolouge. This scene briefly outlines the hostile situation between dwarves and elves ( i.e. the trees being chopped down and the fighting ). This was necessary to show the exceptional aspect of the Legolas/Gimli friendship. Other parts of the prolouge may include the making of the ring, Isuldur's battle with Sauron and Bilbo's use of the ring to escape meeting the Sackville-B's

Now, I will say that many of the other reports of filming at Harcourt Park clearly indicate the deforestation of Isengard scenes were being shot. And in some of those (as in the third report above), knowing what we know now, it seems people had expectations of what was going on that were more imagination than fact.

So, was other footage filmed there? Or did someone see Orcs and think Dwarves? Was a battle of Dwarves vs Elves all in someone's imagination? Did someone really sing? And if so, was it singing done for filming or a bunch of stunties trying to stay warm in the rain?

It just seems interesting to me since whether the Dwarves (or anyone) should sing in The Hobbit has been a debate since the early days on these boards. And then, when we heard them sing, lots of people love it. In fact, Doug mentioned that he couldn't remember "the last time a piece of music from a trailer had so many YouTube covers a year before the film's release."

And, secondarily, looking at these old spy reports where people are so sure of their info and we're - 10 Years After - so sure they were completely wrong... should work as a caution against what we hear today. But then, that was then and this is now. And it's a different world today then yester-decade.

If you want citations for any of these reports, let me know. But grabbing a phrase and googling it with quotes around it should get you what you want pretty quickly.


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Sep 4 2012, 4:18pm

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" looking at these old spy reports where people are so sure of their info" [In reply to] Can't Post

I had to laugh because when I looked up some of these old reports, I found this:

... If the news is true then Composer Wojciech Kilar is close to signing as composer for LOTR!!! ... He's got already the script and the negotiation of the contract should be finished soon.

"Veracity unknown." indeed Sly.

It's fun to read those reports. It must have been so exciting for them!


Sep 4 2012, 4:36pm

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that may have been true [In reply to] Can't Post

although, 'close to signing' is a subjective term and I don't know if he was *that* close. But I think, from what I read, that he was under serious consideration.

A fuller look at the circumstances are here: http://mathom-house.net/...Music-ScoreComposers

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Sep 4 2012, 4:39pm

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I wouldn't doubt it! [In reply to] Can't Post

But I don't recall any info on it before.

I still hold with the belief that there has been enough filmed for LotR, that is stored away in computers somewhere, to build at least one more full-length film if not 2!!

Just listening to the commentary, more than a few times the actors wonder if shots they did ADR for were included in the eedvd.

I think they're doing that sort of thing for The Hobbit now that it's moved from 2 films to 3. Snip a little here and there, throw more in the middle and voila!



I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.

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Sep 4 2012, 6:06pm

Post #5 of 6 (199 views)
'Close to signing' vs. 'under consideration' [In reply to] Can't Post

Sounds like someone got a little over excited at the idea Cool:



Sep 5 2012, 1:56am

Post #6 of 6 (214 views)
nice reminder about the LOTR speculation years... [In reply to] Can't Post

I missed all of that fun, if fun it was. I kind of think that speculation is enjoyed more when you know how the story works out in the end, now while you are going through it. Sort of like Sam's take on how Gollum would be a good character in a Tale you were reading, rather than having him be your guide to Mordor.

And I am loving that the MH keeps popping up in your posts...that's an awfully nice place to go and cool off when things get heated around here!Smile



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