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Critique of The Hobbit trilogy in today's Guardian.
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Spaldron
Rivendell


Sep 3 2012, 3:32pm

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Critique of The Hobbit trilogy in today's Guardian. Can't Post

Piece by James Russell claims Pete Jackson is "running on empty".


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It's hard to see how making The Hobbit could be considered a positive step for Jackson. However, splitting the story into three separate films takes the moribund self-absorption of the project to entirely new levels. It looks as if Jackson is running entirely on empty, pushing this side project to ridiculous extremes because he has nothing else to offer.


You can read the full article here.

"A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities."


Elessar
Valinor


Sep 3 2012, 3:37pm

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Not worth taking seriously. [In reply to] Can't Post

Typical trash tear down article IMO.


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DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 3 2012, 3:37pm

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I don't care about the cold hard profit that WB will make [In reply to] Can't Post

Sure, it's not morally acceptable, but I'm just glad it's being made into a film. 1 film is great, 3 is a bonus.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Sep 3 2012, 3:42pm

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Ah, the Guardian [In reply to] Can't Post

They kept trashing the Tintin movie over and over again only because the journalist didn't like mo-cap.

As mentioned above me, not to be taken seriously at all.

I think I'll have to wash my eyes with bleach to unsee this ridiculousness.


(This post was edited by Carne on Sep 3 2012, 3:49pm)


Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Sep 3 2012, 3:46pm

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Elessar, I agree with you 100% [In reply to] Can't Post

In my personal opinion, journalists really shouldn't be allowed to make remarks like this until they have actually seen the films for themselves, or at least until they have some blindingly obvious evidence to support claims such as those made in this article.

"Radagast is, of course, a worthy wizard, a master of shapes and changes of hue, and he has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends."-Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings.


Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 3 2012, 3:47pm

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typical lack of understanding of the book [In reply to] Can't Post

Given the way the Hobbit jumps the rails over what kind of story it is towards the end, you couldn't make it a single movie without either leaving a lot of people puzzled, or making major plot changes.

Story of the Hobbit in one film = Star Wars (ANH), but Luke decides to sit out the Battle of Yavin and Wedge Antillies destroys the Death Star instead. Wink

It's not its length that makes it three movies, it's its structure.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 3 2012, 3:51pm

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Agreed :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

Though, it would still be interesting to see what a 1 film adaptation of The Hobbit would be like.


Crunchable Birdses
Rohan


Sep 3 2012, 3:55pm

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I wouldn't expect anything else from The Grauniad to be honest [In reply to] Can't Post

Those lentil-munchers generally look down snootily on anything unless it's a non-profit foreign-language indie documentary.

* crunch *


GoodGuyA
Lorien

Sep 3 2012, 3:59pm

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It will be created [In reply to] Can't Post

Over on fanedit!


Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 3 2012, 4:02pm

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One film Hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post


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Though, it would still be interesting to see what a 1 film adaptation of The Hobbit would be like.


Everything is the same up until the point when Bilbo kills Smaug and everyone shares out the treasure fairly and goes home.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 3 2012, 4:06pm

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Wouldn't have the same feel as a real film though ;-) / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm

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I don't think it would be that bad! [In reply to] Can't Post

After all, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is similar size to The Hobbit. And that's not a bad film.


GoodGuyA
Lorien

Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm

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You'd be surprised, my friend [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Sep 3 2012, 4:07pm

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Rankin/Bass proved that a one-film adaptation could be done... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Though, it would still be interesting to see what a 1 film adaptation of The Hobbit would be like.



The animated Hobbit manages to tell most of the story in 77 minuites with three major deletions: 1) the character of Beorn; 2) the Wood-elves' feast in Mirkwood; and 3) the subplot with the Arkenstone. As long as you are willing to similarly compress the events of the book, there is no reason why the entire story couldn't be adapted in 2 hours or so.

'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Sep 3 2012, 4:11pm

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Groupie Site [In reply to] Can't Post

I haven't read the article yet, but I see it is being trashed. Maybe it is trash. Maybe I'll agree and trash it myself. But if I read these comments from an objective point of view, I'd think this is a "groupie site" that could not possibly have any other response. Or maybe we and the author of the article are all the same, but on different ends of what is true. I'd love to see an objective thought on the article when I get back from reading it just to see if I concur.

Tongue


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Sep 3 2012, 4:12pm

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"It's not its length that makes it three movies, it's its structure." [In reply to] Can't Post

Words of truth have been spoken.

(I would have settled for two films, but the three part structure is there too. One is way too little.)

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 3 2012, 4:13pm

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Sub plot! [In reply to] Can't Post

The Arkenstone "sub plot" is probably the most important part of the story. It's about moral, rather than physical, heroism. Being prepared to sacrifice everything - friends, wealth, prospects, in order to do the right thing.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Sep 3 2012, 4:19pm

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Hmmmmm [In reply to] Can't Post

"It sounds crazy to say, in light of the visionary epic fantasies he has created, but surely he could choose more creatively ambitious projects than this. Tolkien seems to have created the idealised past of Middle Earth in order to escape a confusing present. It's a shame to see Jackson doing the same."

An interesting take. Imagine if Tolkien had kept returning to ME or created a sequel which transpired to be more lengthy than originally planned. Why, oh why didnt he take a crack at a crime-fiction instead of more hobbits I hear the world cry.....

LR


Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 3 2012, 4:22pm

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Or, to paraphrase: [In reply to] Can't Post

"I hate fantasy."

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


imin
Valinor


Sep 3 2012, 4:25pm

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Haha, this is so true! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Sep 3 2012, 4:26pm

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Welll I'm not suggesting that the Arkenstone should be left out... [In reply to] Can't Post

...although the animated film managed without it successfully (your mileage may vary). I am only saying that a single-film adaptation of The Hobbit needs to compress and streamline events a bit to keep to a reasonable running time. No major incident would need to be left out, but some would have to be told a bit differently than in the book. And forget about any major additons. You would be lucky to squeeze in anything more than a quick cameo of young 'Estel' in Rivendell.

'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Sep 3 2012, 4:27pm)


Bombadil
Half-elven


Sep 3 2012, 4:27pm

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That Dude did say he might have to eat hizz Words.. [In reply to] Can't Post

In my mind he might want to have that Trash article
handy..for breakfast sometime this December?
Bomby


Spaldron
Rivendell


Sep 3 2012, 4:32pm

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Ok then... [In reply to] Can't Post

You do know that in the time it probably took you to write that post you could've read the entire article by now?

"A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities."


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Sep 3 2012, 5:11pm

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He proved that it's possible to cram everything together into one film [In reply to] Can't Post

It will not be a good film if every detail from the book is compressed into a three hour film...
I find Rankin/Bass version to be to "fast"... I can't enjoy the film as they must hurry to the next location or event...
You get the story done... but not in a good way...

I was VERY relieved when del Toro announced the two film adaption ;)
Now, with the Dol Guldur subplot and dwarven backstory and everything I can easily see the trilogy be a good choice ^^

Vocalist in the semi-progressive metal band Arctic Eclipse


Maiarmike
Grey Havens


Sep 3 2012, 5:23pm

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So they've seen the movies already. Lucky them!... [In reply to] Can't Post

Oh wait...

"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien

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