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Maiarmike
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Aug 31 2012, 11:59pm
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WB Announces Release Date and Final Titles for Films Two and Three...
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The 2nd film will be called The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug, opening December 13th 2013. The third film will be called The Hobbit: There and Back Again and open on July 18th, 2014.
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http://www.deadline.com/...ed-for-july-18-2014/
"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien
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DanielLB
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Sep 1 2012, 12:01am
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Always seemed like the most obvious candidate
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And it's fine by me, I suppose.
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imin
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Sep 1 2012, 12:02am
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Thanks for posting - it has been interesting speculating on what the names will be, with most guessing what they are actually called.
There reason for a summer release is as i guessed - tentpole movie for that summer.
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Estel78
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Sep 1 2012, 12:07am
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It just doesn't fit with the other two titles.
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Carne
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Sep 1 2012, 12:10am
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Best out of the 3 alternatives.
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Sep 1 2012, 12:12am
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At least it's not Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies
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That would have been a miserable title for the third movie.
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 1 2012, 12:12am
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Nice to have a firm date . . .
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. . . other than "coming in July 2014" 
The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began
Now far ahead the Road has gone
And I must follow, if I can
"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and
looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"
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Estel78
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Sep 1 2012, 12:16am
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TH1: Riddles in the Dark
TH2: Desolation of Smaug
TH3: Battle of Five Armies
Again, Desolation of Smaug feels out of place now.
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JWPlatt
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Sep 1 2012, 12:53am
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Folks here have been concerned that moviegoers would be confused about Smaug and would think he's the final quest and that the films - the quest - would end with his death. This title, being in part 2 out of 3, makes it obvious for casual fans that Smaug is not the end of all things. It also highlights Smaug - as it should.
It's a lot like the title of "Star Wars: Attack of the Clones," but with the added benefit that George Lucas isn't involved. The clones aren't the end-all. Just a stop along the way.
Also, if you like the suggestion that Smaug is Sauron's device, you'll love its parallel with The Emporer and the clones.
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There&ThereAgain
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Sep 1 2012, 1:24am
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called it. awesome awesome. I'm so excited I can't believe they are using "desolation" in a movie title. The word has so many subtle meanings. This is great news.
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas
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Ardamírë
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Sep 1 2012, 1:35am
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I'm not set on The Desolation of Smaug, but at least it's rooted in Tolkien.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast, as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower."
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Lost Hobbit
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Sep 1 2012, 1:40am
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Sure. It's taken from label on Thror's map, which clearly says "The Desolation of Smaug"
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Sep 1 2012, 1:43am
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Take the good with the not so good, I suppose.
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I'm still nervous about the whole 3 film expansion, but I do trust PJ. I don't think, however, that the third film should be released in summer. These films are more prestigious than the average "summer blockbuster", and the whole franchise has been a series of holiday season releases. It just doesn't feel right.
As for the titles, I'm very happy they've kept "There and Back Again" for the final film. I was terrified that they would drop it in favor of "The Battle of Five Armies", which would have been horrible.  I'm a bit lukewarm on "The Desolation of Smaug", as it doesn't feel right with the other titles - but this could just be because I was so at home with the original 2 film concept.
Now if we can just have that trailer...
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
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There&ThereAgain
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Sep 1 2012, 1:45am
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I think for anyone who only has a passing knowledge of Middle-Earth, Smaug's tiny pagetime relative to his IMMENSE PRESENCE in The Hobbit is honestly disappointing in retrospect, but I think that by somewhat acknowledging that he isn't the climax of the story it will temper expectations and also generate excitement for "OMG WTF ELSE CAN THERE BE" after his demise in the "final chapter."
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas
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Ardamírë
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Sep 1 2012, 1:45am
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That's why I said it's rooted in Tolkien. I just don't think it sounds good as a title.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast, as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower."
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Mooseboy018
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Sep 1 2012, 2:14am
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The journey ends on my 24th birthday. *prepares oodles of LotR birthday related jokes*
That's the only thing I like about the third movie being released in the summer.
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mandel
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Sep 1 2012, 2:23am
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The trick will be making sure the audience knows there's more to the story and *anticipates* more. How will PJ do this? Leave the Dol Guldur storyline's resolution for film 3? Plant the seeds for Thorin's haughty refusal to share the Erebor treasure in film 2?
With LOTR, the endgame is clear: destroy the ring. With TH, the most obvious assumption is to think that the death of Smaug is the climax. How will PJ manage to make it clear to film firsters that it truly *isn't*?
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Ardamírë
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Sep 1 2012, 2:35am
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But...I'm still not convinced Film 3 won't be pushed back to December.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast, as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower."
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Escapist
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Sep 1 2012, 2:36am
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Makes me excited to go there, see the dragon, and then come back home //
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Show or do not show, there is no tell.
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There&ThereAgain
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Sep 1 2012, 2:39am
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It's tricky because in many ways of our protagonists think Smaug's demise IS the climax. They did not anticipate nor plan for what would happen after they arrived at the mountain nor what was to happen once they reclaimed the gold. The goal was to kill Smaug and to take the treasure. I know it's more nuanced but correct me if I'm wrong on the broad strokes. It's been awhile since I last read it. 
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas
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Carne
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Sep 1 2012, 3:03am
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Well, it doesn't have to end right after that
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They can do something withThranduil and Dain arriving.
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duats
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Sep 1 2012, 3:31am
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My misgivings about three films aside
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The Desolation of Smaug is such a great title. And at least we won't have to wait until December 2014 to see the conclusion to this story.
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MatthewJer18
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Sep 1 2012, 3:46am
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I really like seeing the word "desolation" in a title.
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Sep 1 2012, 3:54am
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But now you can have your "There and Back Again" E.E. DVD or Blu-ray in time for Christmas 2014. (0:
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.... and the whole franchise has been a series of holiday season releases. It just doesn't feel right.
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SaltedPork
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Sep 1 2012, 4:00am
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Just practicing writing that out...
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