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Hamfast Gamgee
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Aug 30 2012, 9:36pm

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In th ROTK at the last debate, Gandalf was so very sure tut Sauron with the Ring would be unbeatable. This was Gandalf when he was the White. In fact he said that Sauron with the Rimg could read their very thoughts and all that they could do would be ruinous. All very well. But if Sauron with the Ring could read their very thought, why couldn't he do se at the time of the last,alliance and how was the last alliance able to defeat a Sauron with the Ring?


Aug 30 2012, 9:42pm

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Magic // [In reply to] Can't Post

No, there's no text. That's actually my answer.


Aug 31 2012, 12:34am

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The Last Alliance was hardly a stealth operation. [In reply to] Can't Post

It was a major assault with a huge army. How much mind reading does that take?

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The Shire

Aug 31 2012, 8:41am

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No more heroes [In reply to] Can't Post

At the time of the Last Alliance, the actual men of Numenor were walking the Earth, and there were still armies of Elves. Elendil looked like Aragorn, but seven and a half feet tall. They were giants, heroes, unstoppable forces. They kicked Sauron's ass.

3000 years later, that's all history. At the end of the 3rd age, the Elves had been leaving for thousands of years, and only a few High Elves were left with the remaining wood-elves. The kingdom of Arnor was gone almost without trace, and the men of Gondor were mostly ordinary non-heroic people like us.

If Sauron wasn't such a big chicken, and had sent out his full forces after he learned what Gollum knew, he'd have conquered middle-earth without the Ring. With the Ring, he could have done it by himself.

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Aug 31 2012, 1:15pm

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He was more interested in reading the thoughts of [In reply to] Can't Post

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Aug 31 2012, 6:35pm

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indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

As I assume most creepy bad guys would be given the ability to also control them.

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Sep 1 2012, 6:14pm

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Sauron [In reply to] Can't Post

The Last Alliance of Elves and Men overthrew Sauron and his armies. He couldn't stop the overwhelming assault. But no such strong alliance was possible in the third age... Elves were few and the kingdom of Gondor and Arnor but a shadow of his former majesty. If Sauron had got hold of the Ring all was lost and all that they do in vain.

(This post was edited by sam90 on Sep 1 2012, 6:18pm)


Sep 5 2012, 10:29pm

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I always assumed it was the Three [In reply to] Can't Post

I always assumed that if Sauron got his hands on the One, the bearers of the Three would be revealed to him, and he'd know what they were thinking so long as they had them on-- and it's clear that all three of them were wielding their Rings during the Quest--I suppose if they had a hint that it was about to fall into his hands, they'd take them off-- but they mightn't have had enough warning. After all, the One was finished, and Celebrimbor was only warned by Sauron's verse (which I would assume was needed to activate it).

And if he could read the minds of Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond, well all their plans would be revealed!

ETA: During the Last Alliance, no one was wearing the Three, because they knew Sauron had the One.

(This post was edited by dreamflower on Sep 5 2012, 10:30pm)


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