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Ommission(s): The Journey Back...

adnan
Rivendell


Aug 30 2012, 7:51pm

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Ommission(s): The Journey Back... Can't Post

As much as the decision to make 3 movies lessens the likelihood of anything being left out from the book, if there was one chapter I would bet on not making the movie it would probably be the one covering Bilbo's return journey. Cinematically, it doesn't really add much to the story, and there are no real 'link' moments as far as giving The Hobbit a nice flow in the LOTR trilogy. I instead see them ending the movie going back to Ian Holm's Bilbo closing out everything conversing with Frodo.

It has been a while since I read The Hobbit & I'm not well-versed in Tolkein's work overall, so I am interested in your thoughts. Fire away!

Rivendell


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Aug 30 2012, 7:54pm

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Well, it will at least include the auction, we know that much... // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


GoodGuyA
Lorien

Aug 30 2012, 8:25pm

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Book 6 problem, Book 6 Problem~ [In reply to] Can't Post

Whenever people talk about the end of RotK, I must bring up this dilemma. What happens after The One is destroyed? Two things: Scouring and Grey Havens. Why did they omit the Scouring? Because the film has all ready reached its action-emotional climax. There's nothing to be gained by the audience from seeing Hobbiton in wreckage and the all ready tortured heroes go through a final, anti-climactic ordeal. Don't get me wrong, I like that chapter, but it wouldn't work in terms of pacing. Primarily that's due to the ending all ready being about 20 minutes long, which is one of the major complaints about the film! That was the time which was absolutely needed to wrap up the two primary stories: Aragorn and Frodo.

There's always a fade off, or a 'breather' so to speak at the end of the film, but that should be after the peak of our excitement has died down. The emotion-action climax is with Thorin's death, and the emotional send-off is Bilbo and Gandalf having their final meeting. There's no need to put anything 'intense' in between these things. It would make the sacrifices seem all for naught.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Aug 30 2012, 8:33pm

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The films won't need to elaborate on the return stops with Beorn or Elrond... [In reply to] Can't Post

The audience (if not Bilbo) already knows by then what Gandalf was up to with the White Council and doesn't need to be told about it again when Bilbo and Gandalf return to Rivendell.

As has already been pointed out, scenes of the auction at Bag End have been filmed, so we will likely see that. Some of the Hobbit-folk cameos might only appear at the auction (the Mayor of Michel Delving would probably be the auctioneer) and not at the beginning of An Unexpected Journey.

'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White


FiliSonOfDis
Rivendell


Aug 30 2012, 9:06pm

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Actually I think it matters the mood of the ending [In reply to] Can't Post

Quickly re-visiting each place he's been with Gandalf on the return home could be a good way to link one thing with the fellowship of the ring, Bilbo's wander lust returning.

If done correctly seeing a "re-cap" of all those areas that the audience will have just spent 3 movies witnessing and then cutting back to Older-Bilbo will leave the audience with the same sense Bilbo has at his birthday party, "I want to see mountains again, mountains Gandalf! And then find somewhere quiet where I can finish my book."

I certainly want to see, and because of the video log i think we will, the auction at Bag end and I'd love to see Gandalf and Balins visit, which would further both that Gandalf and Bilbo remained friends, thus Frodo knows him, and hint at Balin wanting to re-take Moria again linking with LOTR.

So I don't suggest that the ending of movie 3 be a montage of returning home and then cut to Older-Bilbo feeling nostalgic but since movie 3 will almost certainly be entirely be set around Lonely Mountain (with possible Dol Guldur as well) if that sense of longing to take a journey again is what the audience should be feeling from Older-Bilbo at the end then it's important to show fond memories of those places within the same film.


TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Aug 30 2012, 11:04pm

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I have to disagree . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ & Co. did go with the whole 'return to the Shire, settling in, Sam marrying Rosie, you've finished the story, off to the Gray Havens, Sam returns home' closing of the story. This leads me to believe that PJ will do it again, as he'll have dragged us through 3 films . . . again . . . and he will believe that this is his last moments in Middle Earth. PJ seems to like a sentimental rap-up . . .

And I LIKE that about him!

I want to see a bit of Gandalf and Bilbo (and Beorn!) on thier travels home. They can ignore Rivendell again. I want to see Bilbo arrive in time for the auction and get all flustered. I WANT to see Gandalf and Balin visit at the end.
I want it all . . . . . . . . . .


The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began
Now far ahead the Road has gone
And I must follow, if I can

"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and
looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"


elevorn
Lorien


Aug 31 2012, 3:32pm

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For me [In reply to] Can't Post

Since it is a prequel to the movies already made, I almost think after the happy ending at shire there is a brief blackout where we think the scrolling credits will begin and instead they show a cave at the edge of the Misty Mountains and Gollum slinks out muttering "Baggins, we hates it, theif! Must find our precious" maybe a quick cut to Orodruin to see a bit of lava bubble up, and then back to the happy shire and roll credits.

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TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Aug 31 2012, 5:03pm

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The Gollum pit is a bit campy . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

. . . but it could work . . . if they hold it until nearly the end . . . Cool


The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began
Now far ahead the Road has gone
And I must follow, if I can

"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and
looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"

 
 

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