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Jackson comments on Del Toro's vision of The Hobbit
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There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Aug 24 2012, 10:36pm

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Jackson comments on Del Toro's vision of The Hobbit Can't Post

and how much was salvaged or taken over when Jackson became director.

http://io9.com/5937177/peter-jackson-tells-us-how-much-of-guillermo-del-toros-design-dna-is-in-the-hobbit

I have not seen this posted anywhere yet! Don't hurt me if it has Crazy

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 24 2012, 10:39pm

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You beat me to it by seconds! [In reply to] Can't Post

My thread said the same thing - I don't remember seeing this before.

It's a very interesting interview, and one that was obviously much longer. I wonder what else they discussed.

And if I'm totally honest, I'm probably glad PJ got rid of some of GDT's vision. I want the 3 new films to at least feel like the same Middle-earth. And I know many, many will disagree.


(This post was edited by DanielLB on Aug 24 2012, 10:42pm)


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Aug 24 2012, 10:42pm

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apologies! [In reply to] Can't Post

I was thinking about waiting to see if someone else was going to post it, but have to take risks sometimes....


I think Peter is being very diplomatic here, but in the best way possible. I think of course they liked what Del Toro did and probably reused some things conceptually, but probably aesthetically, a complete overhaul.

I do hope the DVDs have a feature on Del Toro's involvement.

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Aug 24 2012, 10:44pm

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Such a shame to miss out on a different vision [In reply to] Can't Post

It bothers me that filmic interpretation of Tolkien has thus far been monopolized by PJ and company.

However, what I am most interested in is how much of Del Toro's influence is still in the scripts, as he was an equal partner on those.


DanielLB
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Aug 24 2012, 10:46pm

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I hope so too [In reply to] Can't Post

Even if nothing (or very little) still exists, past concepts must have shaped the final designs they went for in the end. And it will be interesting to see what still exists. Make for a brilliant DVD extra.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Aug 24 2012, 10:48pm

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I understand Peter's decision. [In reply to] Can't Post

GDT spent 18 months designing the world, and PJ was not planning to direct, so it's obvious that he changes what he wants. After all it became his vision again and not GDT's.


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TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Aug 24 2012, 11:00pm

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I'm with you . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

I would have enjoyed seeing the different take GDT had . . . especially as the Hobbit is written in such a different style.


The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,

"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and
looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Aug 24 2012, 11:02pm

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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

It would have been a mistake for PJ to attempt to ape GDT's style. So the decision was a correct one, once he decided to helm the films.

I just wish GDT had been able to stay on and finish the job. Now instead of something new and fresh, we will likely get comfort food for PJ's fans.


Tim
Tol Eressea


Aug 24 2012, 11:26pm

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It's a good thing [In reply to] Can't Post


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we will likely get comfort food for PJ's fans.


There's millions of us. Sly

King Arthur: You know much that is hidden oh Tim.

Tim: Quite.


TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Aug 24 2012, 11:28pm

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But some of us like a little variety . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

. . . not the same thing over and over again. Wink


The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,

"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and
looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"


Gorbag
Rivendell


Aug 24 2012, 11:34pm

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The Hobbit wasnt the time for a ''New Vision''. [In reply to] Can't Post

When i first heard GDT was directing, i was a little Unsure. I love his previous work, but i wasnt sure about him doing The Hobbit. I personally think GDT can tend to go a little over-board on designs of creatures, and the whole talk of Smaug design directions he mentioned (Like a battle-axe or something was it?) got me worried.

Also thought/still think having two different visions of Middle Earth from different directors of films that are meant to be linked, would have been very jarring. I do think GDT version of Middle Earth would have been dramatically different. It would have been good to see his vision, but not as a prequel to a world we already know and love. Save the ''New Vision'' for a re-boot or whatever, not for a prequel to a different directors vision of Middle Earth

So when i heard GDT had stepped down, there was a certain amount of relief, and upon hearing that PJ was back at the helm i was pleased we would be heading back into the world i know and love. Im very happy it turned out being PJ and the team working on The Hobbit, and i cant wait to see it.

P.S I like others, would still love to see GDT's designs though.

“I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.” - J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring


Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

Aug 24 2012, 11:42pm

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I would quite like [In reply to] Can't Post

To see someone else's take on Tolkien. Someone could do a different version of Lotr and it might be very different from PJs. Though I am sure that any studio would say 'Why do this again we've seen it,' despite there been about five remakes of Spider/batman in that time I've seen several version of the same Shakespeare plays, and multipl Jane Austin adaptation on TV. But I guess well just have to wait. In fact plays might bethe way forward. On could show 3 or 4 plays in. Series to cover the Lotr tale. Though musicals seem more popular. Quite how musicals get around the rights issue and plays don't I'm not sure.


lyndomiel
Rivendell

Aug 24 2012, 11:57pm

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I am with you. [In reply to] Can't Post

I am glad to see Middle Earth back in PJ's hands. Another director might have satisfied, but I am not a big fan of GDT. Hated Pan's Labyrinth! Not overly fond of Hellboy - and I enjoy many comic book, sci fi, and fantasy films. Can't say I've seen anything else he created. He's not to my taste. I was relieved when he quit.


Escapist
Gondor

Aug 25 2012, 12:02am

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Comparing PJ and GDT [In reply to] Can't Post

without considering LOTR, I do like PJ better. I appreciate the realism in PJ's work and find the darker twist of GDT's work unappealing, being not so interested in the darker side of life in general.

I do like a little bit of a horror element sometimes - but my taste is more along the lines of Gremlins or The People Under the Stairs where it is a little bit unclear the line between comedy and true scariness. But this I kind of relish.

Show or do not show, there is no tell.


lyndomiel
Rivendell

Aug 25 2012, 12:02am

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Comfort food vs. variety [In reply to] Can't Post

Comfort food is always good. I like adventure as much as anyone, and I don't want mac and cheese every night, but if a restaurant has a good chef - I'll go back over and over to taste his vision. Not tired of PJ yet - for all his flaws.


TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Aug 25 2012, 12:09am

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good analogy [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes chef PJ is a good one, but the menu has changed, and I would like to have see someone with more finesse and subtlety make this meal. Sly


The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,

"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and
looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"


lyndomiel
Rivendell

Aug 25 2012, 12:12am

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Perhaps he's grown by now. [In reply to] Can't Post

12 years later...I hope he's learned from his mistakes.


Spaldron
Rivendell


Aug 25 2012, 12:15am

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If GDT had.... [In reply to] Can't Post

... brought some of the genius of Pan's Labyrinth with him then his version of The Hobbit could've been something amazing. However I had a little trepidation at some of his character designs (like Thorin having antlers) which may or may not have been terrible. And remember GDT stated several times that his version would fit into the canon so I don't think it would've been so drastically different as some have suggested.

However it should be pointed out that GDT has so far struggled to make an English language film that comes even close to his Spanish language efforts. Hellboy II is the closest he's ever managed to get to Devils Backbone or Pan's Labyrinth.

"A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities."

(This post was edited by Spaldron on Aug 25 2012, 12:16am)


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Aug 25 2012, 12:49am

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But it was the time to test run a radically new film format? [In reply to] Can't Post

Ya know, it's okay if prequels and sequels don't look or feel exactly like what came before... heck sometimes the story lines can be completely alien to one another... there are no hard rules for these things.

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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Aug 25 2012, 1:05am

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PJ and co. have monopolized Tolkien and Del Toro's filmic interpretation..... [In reply to] Can't Post

there wouldn't be three Hobbit films if it wasn't for PJ and his successful film trilogy, and all due respect to Del Toro, he was filling in for PJ and co. As far as PJ monopolizing Tolkien...so you would rather be living right now without the LOTR's films or these new Hobbit films?


From the bottom of the Long-Lake a dragon shall be possessed...green lights glowing out of the deep waters shall be seen where the dragon fell...reanimated shall be Smaug that was killed...and the Dark Lord will fly over Middle-Earth unopposed...raining fire down upon his enemies...


RosieLass
Valinor


Aug 25 2012, 1:16am

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You sound like a broken record. [In reply to] Can't Post

Not liking what PJ did to LOTR does not mean that nobody else could have done a good job, and nobody is claiming to prefer no films at all.

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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Aug 25 2012, 1:21am

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Media Literacy 101 [In reply to] Can't Post

Back in July Voronwe posted an interview made at SDCC2012 in which PJ was asked the same question. (See here if you don't remember: http://newboards.theonering.net/...?post=470273;#470273)

This offers us an excellent opportunity to compare what he said about the same topic in two entirely different milieux.

The first time was in a frantic con setting, and he seemed a bit off the cuff. The second one (today's) was much more laid back (both setting and stance) -- regardless the content is pretty much the same, in some parts almost word for word.

Given the two very different settings, wouldn't you expect quanitatively different answers? Not to the point where the content contradicts itself, but at least to the point where the answer does not come across as scripted.

Am I being cynical here? I mean obviously someone was going to ask eventually; and as it is a sensitive issue, it makes sense that a public figure would have given some thought to what he would say when he was asked... after all, being diplomatic is not something that comes naturally to everyone.

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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Aug 25 2012, 1:24am

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Sir PJ has a lot of experience with diplomacy [In reply to] Can't Post

But I think he is basically telling the truth.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Aug 25 2012, 1:27am

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seems like you like the glass half empty [In reply to] Can't Post

why can't you give credit to PJ and co. for pulling off what most people said was the impossible? he won best director for a FANTASY movie for pete's sake, do you know how rare that is in hollywood? Do you even know how much effort and time was spent by PJ and co. and the actors to pull off filming three films back-to-back? But yeah...let's just say "another director" could have done better...


From the bottom of the Long-Lake a dragon shall be possessed...green lights glowing out of the deep waters shall be seen where the dragon fell...reanimated shall be Smaug that was killed...and the Dark Lord will fly over Middle-Earth unopposed...raining fire down upon his enemies...


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Aug 25 2012, 1:32am

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Yes I think so too... [In reply to] Can't Post

Still it is a good exercise for those who don't want to see Sir Peter as someone who, like almost every other media figure on the planet, would choose to rely on scripted answers.

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