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(spoilers) The Battle of Which Five Armies?

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Aug 22 2012, 6:01pm


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So who are these "Five Armies" that join battle in the epic conclusion of The Hobbit?

According to the book, they are: men, elves, dwarves, goblins and wargs.
According to the Rankin/Bass animated film: men, elves, dwarves, goblins and eagles.

These last two "armies", in both lists, seem to dissatisfy. Wargs are sort of like horses for orcs (per se), which do not constitute an army. The only way wargs could serve as one of the five armies in the movie (IMHO) is if they arrived alone, without goblins, while some other wargs were being ridden by the orcs. As for the eagles, there aren't nearly enough of them to be considered an army.

So what else might this fifth army be? Could it be...More Orcs? The reason I say this is because Azog is now going to be either alive or undead during the time of TH, and Bolg is going to be working for the Necromancer. If the Necromancer has an army of orcs, once the battle of Dol Gulder is over, these orcs could retreat into Mirkwood and later be lead by Bolg to the BO5A where they meet up with the other orc army led by Azog. Thus explaining the odd and seemingly needless use of Azog as the leader of the orc army.

What do you think?

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(spoilers) The Battle of Which Five Armies? burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Aug 22 2012, 6:01pm
    Nice question . . . you made me pull the Hobbit out instead of working from memory . . . TomthePilgrim Send a private message to TomthePilgrim Aug 22 2012, 6:22pm
        Is there a Hobbit 'Bored of the Rings' equivalent? RoseCotton Send a private message to RoseCotton Aug 23 2012, 7:40am
            Yup QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Aug 23 2012, 5:48pm
                agreed Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Aug 23 2012, 6:48pm
    Wargs Mooseboy018 Send a private message to Mooseboy018 Aug 22 2012, 6:39pm
        That sounds like a GDT thing . . . TomthePilgrim Send a private message to TomthePilgrim Aug 22 2012, 6:42pm
        That is from the book... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Aug 22 2012, 7:09pm
            Uh oh Mooseboy018 Send a private message to Mooseboy018 Aug 23 2012, 1:33am
        wargs and wolves MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Aug 23 2012, 4:12am
    Wargs are Goblins' allies, not domesticated animals Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Aug 22 2012, 6:43pm
        "Domesticated animals" Mooseboy018 Send a private message to Mooseboy018 Aug 23 2012, 1:38am
        I agree, but the fact that they are being ridden burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Aug 23 2012, 2:42am
    The wargs belong to the Necromancer dave_lf Send a private message to dave_lf Aug 22 2012, 6:44pm
        Sauron, the Lord of Werewolves Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Aug 22 2012, 6:51pm
            That reminds me... Mooseboy018 Send a private message to Mooseboy018 Aug 23 2012, 1:40am
                Yeah, Huan was a force of nature! Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Aug 23 2012, 1:50am
                Twilight 4: Beren and Luthien, NT Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 23 2012, 2:09am
                no... no!... NOOOO!!! painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Aug 23 2012, 8:42pm
            Obligatory photoshop... Milknut Send a private message to Milknut Aug 23 2012, 4:45pm
                Noooooooo!!!!!!!! Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 23 2012, 4:54pm
                    I imagine this is you, Shelob'sAppetite DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 23 2012, 5:27pm
                        At times like this Milknut Send a private message to Milknut Aug 24 2012, 3:34pm
                            Even better! I'll use this all the time haha! / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 24 2012, 3:39pm
                I refuse to aknowledge Jakob as a werewolf... which he technically even isn't Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Aug 24 2012, 12:56pm
                    Bwahaha, nerd-sniped!// Milknut Send a private message to Milknut Aug 24 2012, 3:35pm
                Awesome. Dreadfully awesome. lol AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 24 2012, 10:51pm
    The Army of Reanimated Dragons Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Aug 22 2012, 7:07pm
        Haha! burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Aug 23 2012, 2:33am
    Possible movie version of the Battle of Five Armies - Hanzkaz Aug 22 2012, 7:25pm
        I don't see any reason why they need to change it. / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 22 2012, 9:41pm
    There were enough Eagles for an army AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 22 2012, 8:45pm
        The Eagles would be an Airforce not an army.// Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Aug 22 2012, 10:01pm
    I've always seen it as sinister71 Send a private message to sinister71 Aug 22 2012, 10:39pm
        Actually burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Aug 23 2012, 2:28am
    Trolls? Carne Send a private message to Carne Aug 22 2012, 11:00pm
        they need something spectacular but... sinister71 Send a private message to sinister71 Aug 22 2012, 11:02pm
            Spectacular, yes Carne Send a private message to Carne Aug 22 2012, 11:03pm
        How about the stone giants ;-) / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 22 2012, 11:05pm
            "You want stone giants? I'll give you stone giants!" - PJ, summer of 2014 Carne Send a private message to Carne Aug 22 2012, 11:06pm
                20 thats it? sinister71 Send a private message to sinister71 Aug 22 2012, 11:16pm
                    And don't forget Smaug. He should be there too / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Aug 22 2012, 11:17pm
                        Zombie Smaug... NT sinister71 Send a private message to sinister71 Aug 22 2012, 11:18pm
        Reserve the Trolls for Dol Guldur... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Aug 22 2012, 11:37pm
            I'm still saying there wont be a physical battle at DolGuldur sinister71 Send a private message to sinister71 Aug 23 2012, 12:22am
                I think there will be fighting at Dol Guldur Carne Send a private message to Carne Aug 23 2012, 12:32am
                    Trust me . . . infiltration can be nasty. TomthePilgrim Send a private message to TomthePilgrim Aug 23 2012, 12:52am
                Philippa (or was it Peter?) said something about "The Battle of Dol Guldur"... painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Aug 23 2012, 12:53am
                Not really. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Aug 23 2012, 2:02am
                Even Tolkien hinted at token resistance at the very least... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Aug 23 2012, 4:07am
                    Hobbit Snowghost77 Send a private message to Snowghost77 Aug 24 2012, 12:05am
    *snigger* I've always had a different take on the 5th army. grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Aug 26 2012, 7:34pm
        But Tolkien does explicitly state what he meant by five armies Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Aug 26 2012, 7:59pm
            Two Dwarf Armies Whaleyland Send a private message to Whaleyland Aug 27 2012, 7:59pm
                Welcome to TORn Whaleyland! burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Aug 28 2012, 3:14pm
                    Reassessment Whaleyland Send a private message to Whaleyland Aug 28 2012, 3:37pm
                        But you never know burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Aug 29 2012, 12:51am

 
 
 

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