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The Brown Wizard Revealed! (Major spoilers following)
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Aug 22 2012, 7:04am

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cant see davy jones but the hat is [In reply to] Can't Post

jack sparrowish...and didn't old davy j. have a large tentacle beard??


From the bottom of the Long-Lake a dragon shall be possessed...green lights glowing out of the deep waters shall be seen where the dragon fell...reanimated shall be Smaug that was killed...and the Dark Lord will fly over Middle-Earth unopposed...raining fire down upon his enemies...


emre43
Lorien

Aug 22 2012, 8:16am

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Reminds me of Odin [In reply to] Can't Post

Sorry, don't know how to attach pics, but here is a link with an image fo Odin:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/..._the_Wanderer%29.jpg


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 22 2012, 9:03am

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He'll turn into the moth / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 22 2012, 9:04am

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Radagast can't be Odin [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf was based on Odin Laugh


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 22 2012, 9:16am

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And there is a blue stone in Radagast's staff! [In reply to] Can't Post

Hmmm ...


emre43
Lorien

Aug 22 2012, 10:11am

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He wasn't... [In reply to] Can't Post

...Gandalf was based on this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/...33/Der_Berggeist.jpg

It is Der Berggeist by Joseph Madlener.

In Reply To
Gandalf was based on Odin Laugh



(This post was edited by emre43 on Aug 22 2012, 10:12am)


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 22 2012, 1:43pm

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Yes he was [In reply to] Can't Post

See my thread

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Gimli1252
Bree


Aug 22 2012, 2:28pm

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I think the two staves are one and the same ... [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.framecaplib.com/...j=0x0000000000001000

The staves have the same pattern...
So Gadalf has Radagast's staff for sure, now the point is how he gets it from him??
Perhaps Radagast gave it to him as a gift or something like that...
Definitely i don't think Radagast will die in the films, but if he dies because the audience will wonder:''where was he in Lotr?'', then the decision to kill him it's pretty lame ... I mean he is not in Lotr because:
1) Lotr came before the Hobbit (i'm referring to movies and only) and
2) PJ & Co forgot to include him or they cut him out like Tom B.

''There is one dwarf yet in Moria, who still draws breath''


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 22 2012, 2:33pm

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I don't think the only reason to kill him off is because he wasn't in the trilogy [In reply to] Can't Post

Scouts were sent to find Radagast in Rhosgobel and found the he was missing. Tolkien may have intended him to have died/been killed.

In my opinion, Radagast dieing during the Battle of Dol Guldur wouldn't be that outlandish.


burgahobbit
Rohan


Aug 22 2012, 2:36pm

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I don't think so [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf's staff in the trailer (in the Shire scenes) is identical to his staff in FOTR save for the fact that it's closed. In FOTR it has "blossomed" and then it's purpose has been fulfilled. Gandalf becomes Gandalf the White and the brown staff has served it's purpose. Radagast staff is similar because he is the brown wizard, and what other color of staff would the brown wizard have, a grey one? Radagast is a lover of nature so his staff would be rather like a stick instead of a carved straight staff like Saruman's. I think they should have made Raddy's staff twisted and irregular to make it stand out, but the fact that they did not do so does not mean that it is the same as Gandalf's.


dave_lf
Gondor

Aug 22 2012, 2:37pm

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The answer is in the books [In reply to] Can't Post

Radagast gave up his mission in order to spend more time with his animals. They could kill him, or turn him into a moth, or just make the moth his servant and retcon him into LotR that way, but they don't need to.


Gimli1252
Bree


Aug 22 2012, 2:42pm

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Didn't know about that.... [In reply to] Can't Post

You know where can i find this in the books...???

''There is one dwarf yet in Moria, who still draws breath''


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Aug 22 2012, 3:33pm

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Inspirations for Gandalf [In reply to] Can't Post

What makes you think that Tolkien couldn't have had multiple inspirations for Gandalf? Odin, the Berrgeist, Merlin. It's all good.

"Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house." - Aragorn


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Aug 22 2012, 3:35pm

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Radagast doesn't die... [In reply to] Can't Post

He lives quietly into the Fourth Age and beyond. Eventually he becomes known by another name. A Wizard and advisor who loves animals and is an expert shape-changer -- Merlin.

"Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house." - Aragorn


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 22 2012, 3:44pm

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That's a wonderful idea! / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


dave_lf
Gondor

Aug 22 2012, 3:44pm

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Radagast's fate in the books [In reply to] Can't Post

Apparently I am wrong about that--it seems that Radagast's withdrawl from the world is only mentioned in Tolkien's letters, and of course the filmmakers don't have the rights to those. The last we hear about him in LotR is at Rivendell when scouts are sent to Rhosgobel looking for him, but he's not at home. So I guess the writers will have to make something up.


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 22 2012, 3:45pm

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Since my books are packed away at the moment I can't give you page numbers [In reply to] Can't Post

But I believe it's somewhere in the Council of Elrond chapter.


Jettorex
Lorien


Aug 22 2012, 4:48pm

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Radagast wont literally die [In reply to] Can't Post

But I think his exit will be at the conlusion of the attack on Dol Guldor. It will be made clear to the audience that his part in the film is over, at least in wizard form. I am sure there will be a hint that he will continue to help through the animals and/or that he will help in animal form (moth, thrush etc).


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Hanzkaz
Rohan

Aug 22 2012, 5:24pm

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I hope Radagast doesn't die - [In reply to] Can't Post


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Wild speculation ... after Radagast's death, Gandalf takes up Radagast's staff, thus explaining the difference between TH and LOTR


- but this could be what led to Saruman's claim that Gandalf wanted the 'staves of the Five Wizards'.


Gimli1252
Bree


Aug 22 2012, 8:16pm

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Thanks DanielLB... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm reading Fotr again and yesterday finished part I, so i'm almost there...

''There is one dwarf yet in Moria, who still draws breath''


FiliSonOfDis
Rivendell

Aug 22 2012, 8:54pm

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What if... [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalfs staff is broken during a battle or some event in these movies and Radagast gives Gandalf his staff at the end and "resigns" from his wizardly duties in favor of simply existing with his animals.

It would explain why he's not around in LOTR and it would be a good emotional scene on different levels, showing how the white councils "list of allies" is already growing thin.


Gimli1252
Bree


Aug 22 2012, 9:05pm

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I like your idea, it sounds plausible...// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

''There is one dwarf yet in Moria, who still draws breath''


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 22 2012, 9:45pm

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Yup, I'd be more than happy with that. [In reply to] Can't Post

Whether Radagast dies or decides to leave Rhosgobel, I think it's going to be an excellent "end" for him.


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Aug 22 2012, 9:52pm

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maybe they should just leave it a mystery... [In reply to] Can't Post

kind of like the way Tolkien wrote it Wink


DanielLB
Immortal


Aug 22 2012, 9:57pm

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Yes, that would be fine, if they had done that in the first place (in FOTR) [In reply to] Can't Post

Having Radagast in The Hobbit kind of messes that up. They can't just have him ride off back to Rhosgobel on his bunny-sled, never to be mentioned again. The audience wouldn't be satisfied, and neither would I.

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