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How many years of the sun passed between the Awakening of The Elves and The Noldor's (Led by Feanor) return to Middle Earth?


Aug 18 2012, 12:08pm

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How many years of the sun passed between the Awakening of The Elves and The Noldor's (Led by Feanor) return to Middle Earth? Can't Post

A question that has bothered me for several months, although I have read the Annals of Aman, and vaguely recall a figure of 3500 years between the Noldor's leaving and return to Middle Earth, I can't recall a specific figure between the two events listed above.

I'm also still kinda confused on which system Tolkien settled on to convert years of the trees into sun years-Was it 30, 144 or 9?

Can anyone shed any light?

‘As they came to the gates Cirdan the Shipwright came forth to greet them. Very tall he was, and his beard was long, and we was grey and old, save that his eyes were keen as stars; and he looked at them and bowed, and said ‘All is now ready.’

Grey Havens

Aug 19 2012, 3:52am

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I think the dates are... [In reply to] Can't Post

1050 to 1497, and the ratio is 1 Valian Year = 9.582 Sun Years

This is the ratio Tolkien had in mind when he wrote the Annals anyway (both Aman and Grey). Later he was musing about 144, but we don't certainly know if JRRT meant this notably larger figure to simply plug back into the existing chronology as it stood (and see Christopher Tolkien's notes to the text Aman in Myths Transformed, Morgoth's Ring) -- if one simply does that, the time it took the Exiled Noldor to pass into Middle-earth (for example) becomes notably long.

Grey Havens

Aug 24 2012, 1:30pm

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... and no one did the math yet (if my dates are correct). Including me Wink


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