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Seaber
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Aug 16 2012, 1:57pm
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Lots of interesting stuff in this translation. Strange to think of Radagast as being short though, and that Beorn is the last of his kind.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Aug 16 2012, 2:06pm
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Fantastic work. Thank you very much indeed.
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A couple of interesting lines which have lingered in both translations.
That Galadriel "secretly" supports Gandalf - one assumes in defiance of the decision of the WC overall?
The naming of Fimbul is a nice nod to the Norse
That Legolas will seemingly feature in the background to Thranduil's march to BOFA
And that Saruman will not be leaving TH with his white untarnished.
Interestinger and interestinger!
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Lacrimae Rerum
Hithlum
Aug 16 2012, 2:11pm
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The overall point is a personal response one
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but I think "bumping into one another" might be a little off the mark at this stage. It does seems that each of the characters would have legitimate or logical reasons to be where they are encountered (Galadriel at the WC, Legolas in Mirkwood etc). It's not quite as if Gandalf keeps running into people at the supermarket checkout.
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burgahobbit
Nargothrond
Aug 16 2012, 2:12pm
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Gollum...rightly concludes: The hobbit Bilbo Baggins of the Shire has stolen it. So begins the hunt over mountains and through deserts, take years and cost many lives, until this miserable creature, finally, the fate of Middle-earth holds in his hand.
(emphasis mine)
So will we see this in the films, or do you think this was just written for the action figure to tell more of Gollum's story that won't actually be shown in the Hobbit?
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burgahobbit
Nargothrond
Aug 16 2012, 2:20pm
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I expect it's just a reference
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But it would be really cool to have the five wizards fighting together!!!!
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kzer_za
Menegroth
Aug 16 2012, 2:21pm
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Maybe there's something in the appendices I'm forgetting
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But it's pretty clear in The Hobbit that the orc/goblin villains, Smaug, and the Necromanacer are separate from each other and don't work together. Even in the Quest for Erebor, Gandalf only says that he was afraid that Smaug and Sauron might become allies - there's no indication they actually did or even communicated. Middle-earth is a big world and not everyone has to be connected. It's like making Butterbur an undercover agent for Gondor.
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Hithlum
Aug 16 2012, 2:23pm
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Given that this is a post 1955 Hobbit
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I could certainly see a bit of Gollum's journey being shown.
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Carne
Dor-Lomin
Aug 16 2012, 2:27pm
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"It was said that Azog the Desecrator fell many years ago in the great battle between the Orcs and the Dwarves."
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So all of this can still work out. The dwarves believe he is dead.
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kzer_za
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Aug 16 2012, 2:32pm
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The books make it clear that he's dead
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I'm not a purist, but I can't see any point in having Azog survive the battle or (more likely) an undead Azog. They're already making up a Nazgul storyline to give the Necromancer something to "necromance" - isn't that enough?
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megha
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Aug 16 2012, 2:42pm
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Thranduil
The mighty Elf-lord and legendary warrior Legolas Thranduil's father. As king, he rules over forest land to the north of a large forest area, once known as the Green Forest and now bears the ominous name of Mirkwood. During the long years of darkness Thranduil has increasingly isolated from the outside world - he cares only about his own people. An ancient, bitter feud has discharged meant that he basically rejects all dwarves - and especially a certain dwarf, namely Thorin Oakenshield.
Legolas
Legolas is the Prince of the forest land and a high empire same as his father Thranduil. However, you meet him often at the royal court - much rather he patrols the area with the forest guards of the same troops. The large narrow-savvy fighter is his father and his people, resulting in unconditional loyalty. But the events of the outside world behind now and in the isolated world of forest elves left their mark. Because he sees the disaster coming, Legolas faces the choice of either his father or his conscience to follow.
this sort of gives an insight into legolas and thandruil's relationship and also their story arc.
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DanielLB
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Aug 16 2012, 2:43pm
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I can understand it all now 
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DanielLB
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Aug 16 2012, 2:45pm
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I read that as that's what he does, rather than what will be shown /
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DanielLB
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Aug 16 2012, 2:46pm
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Legolas faces the choice of either his father or his conscience to follow.
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Well it's a bit obvious one he chooses, since he is hostile to Gimli in The Lord of the Rings.
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Macfeast
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Aug 16 2012, 2:55pm
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...will have anything to do with his feelings towards the dwarves. Rather, I think it will be more akin to whether or not he will isolate himself in Mirkwood, as his father, or acknowledge the rest of Middle-Earth and the troubles it will face.
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Seaber
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Aug 16 2012, 2:58pm
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I thought Fimbul was just taking the golf reference out of Golfimbul
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Didn't know it was Norse 
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 16 2012, 3:09pm
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Makes sense. Most of Tolkein's names have a source in Anglo-Saxon or Norse. Just try googling Gimli
Though I try looking for Grinnah . . . very little . . . Grinnah Stones in England are a climbing area.
As I see it, Grinnah and Fimbul seem to be the anomalies. Has anyone seen them on an official list of 'characters' for PJ and the Hobbit?
The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and
looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"
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Carne
Dor-Lomin
Aug 16 2012, 3:11pm
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They appeared on a list of upcoming action figures a long time ago
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As well as the list of upcoming Games Workshop products.
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TomthePilgrim
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Aug 16 2012, 3:21pm
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. . . but, nothing that I can find on the official sites for the movie . . .
. . . sorry just thinking out loud . . .
The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and
looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 16 2012, 3:25pm
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Thanks so much for taking the time to do that!
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That is so much clearer!
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Lacrimae Rerum
Hithlum
Aug 16 2012, 3:26pm
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I was rather thinking of the wolfy link to the fimbulwinter and ragnarok.
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Hanzkaz
Nargothrond
Aug 16 2012, 3:26pm
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The dwarves believe he is dead.
- is going to be embarrassed.
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Carne
Dor-Lomin
Aug 16 2012, 3:28pm
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No idea who's playing them though.
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