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SimionSmallEye
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Aug 10 2012, 12:55am

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Hey,
in the game section of this board (http://newboards.theonering.net/...orum.cgi?post=478439) there is a discussion about the release list from tabletop miniature company Games Workshop which produces the official Hobbit movie miniatures.

The full list can be found at http://pastebin.com/9EC3qw3b with additional information. I made the list a little bit more readable and deleted all the releases that are not related to the movies.

There will be the following boxes in the next years:

Dwarves: Kili & Fili & Longbeard Archers
Dwarves: Bombur with Kettle
Dwarves: Drogo Baggins & The Tavern Maid
Dwarves: Dáin & Iron Hill Berserkers
Dwarves: King Thráin & Longbeard Vanguard
Dwarves: Young Thorin & Longbeard Mattockguard
Dwarves: King Thrór
Dwarves: Dragon Mithril Company of Dwarves
Dwarves: Dáin Ironfoot & Iron Hill Boar Riders
Dwarves: Dís, Mother of Kili and Fili
Dwarves: Gimli (Stubble)
Dwarves: Samwise Gamgee (Red Book)

Wargs: Dire Warg
Wargs: Grinnah & Mirkwood Werewolves
Wargs: Feral Wolf Pack
Wargs: The Werebeast
Wargs: Lagdush & Orc Wolfcloak Warriors
Wargs: Narzug & Orc Warg-Riders
Wargs: Dol Guldur Orc Overlords
Wargs: Orc Chieftain on Warg
Wargs: Orc Wolfbone Shaman

Dol Guldur: Leaping Spiders / Shiverfang Spiders
Dol Guldur: Spiderlings
Dol Guldur: The Willowhags
Dol Guldur: Bloodwraiths
Dol Guldur: Gwethil
Dol Guldur: The Necromancer / Flesh Avatar
Dol Guldur: Narzug & Orc Summoner Coven
Dol Guldur: Tomb Wights
Dol Guldur: Mounted Tomb Wights
Dol Guldur: Saruman & The Ringwraiths
Dol Guldur: Vampire Bat Swarms

White Council: Mounted Rivendell Nobles
White Council: Lindir the Harper
White Council: Arwen & Estel
White Council: Galadriel (Barrel)
White Council: Radagast with Roäc & Swoop
White Council: Galadriel (Water Steed)
White Council: The War Council
White Council: Galadriel & Lórien Drumhooves
White Council: Chief Aravir & Dúnedain Rangers
White Council: Dúnedain Runecaster
White Council: Elrond & Rivendell Spearguard
White Council: Elros & Rivendell Outriders
White Council: Radagast's Chariot / Spellfire Cart
White Council: Cirdan the Shipwright

Mountain Orcs: Azog & Orc Needlers
Mountain Orcs: Azog (Wounded)
Mountain Orcs: Bolg & Great Goblin Bodyguard
Mountain Orcs: Armoured Hill-Trolls / Frenzied Trolls
Mountain Orcs: Orc Stone Thrower

Men of Esgaroth: King Girion
Men of Esgaroth: Fram the Watchman
Men of Esgaroth: The Master of Lake-Town
Men of Esgaroth: Bard & Greystreak Bowmen
Men of Esgaroth: Bain & Quickstrings Gang / Trout Guild Militia
Men of Esgaroth: Alfrid & Loyal Town Guard
Men of Esgaroth: Garf & Footsoldiers of the Dale

Grey Mountain Dragons: Fire-wyrms
Grey Mountain Dragons: Braga & Goldscale Worshippers
Grey Mountain Dragons: Venomblade Assassin
Grey Mountain Dragons: Goldscale Priest
Grey Mountain Dragons: Bofur on Cold-Drake
Grey Mountain Dragons: Dragon Thrall
Grey Mountain Dragons: Money Bags & Hired Knives
Grey Mountain Dragons: Fell Hatchlings

Beornings: Woodmen Healer
Beornings: Fair Daughter
Beornings: Meneldor & Swiftbeak Flock
Beornings: Gorm & Woodmen Axethrowers / Skin-Changers
Beornings: Whisperbark / Gnarlfir
Beornings: Black Bear Pack
Beornings: Enraged Beorn
Beornings: Grimbeorn (Greataxe)

Silvan Elves: Legolas & Mirkwood Fire Archers
Silvan Elves: Mirkwood Warhost
Silvan Elves: King Thranduil (Battle Garb)
Silvan Elves: Tauriel (Mounted)
Silvan Elves: Castellan Amroth

Adventure: Gandalf's Quest
Adventure: The Battle at the East Gate
Adventure: The Fall of Dale
Adventure: The Belltower
Adventure: A Thief in the Night
Adventure: The Clearing of Foul Roots
Adventure: Assault on the Barrows
Adventure: Clash of the Beasts
Adventure: The Last Stand
Adventure: The Raven Hill
Adventure: Thorin's Folly
Adventure: The Battle of Five Armies
Adventure: Breaking the Siege
Adventure: Revenge of the Goblin King
Adventure: Blacksoil Slope
Adventure: The Final Onslaught
Adventure: The Clouds Burst
Adventure: The Ritual
Adventure: The Haunted Tombs
Adventure: The Blight Breach
Adventure: Gollum's Escape

don’t fit into the naming pattern:
Frodo with Red Book
Smaug the Golden
Gandalf (Dual Sword)
Turin, The Dragonslayer


dave_lf
Gondor

Aug 10 2012, 1:03am

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Are they sure 3 films are going to be enough?!


MatthewJer18
Rohan

Aug 10 2012, 1:07am

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Interesting, but... does something appearing in official merchandise necessarily mean it's also in the films, though? [In reply to] Can't Post

For instance, Gimli (stubble) and Sam are both listed, unless they are unannounced cameos...or unless their appearances in the earlier films count.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 10 2012, 1:10am

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Thanks for posting this!

Assuming these are all straight from the movie and not a few ideas from Games Workshop thrown in to fill out the sets, this has quite a few interesting tidbits of information in it.

It sounds likes we'll be getting some were-wolf type things afterall, and the Necromancer's "flesh Avatar" sounds interesting. I guess Sauron will take some sort of form, even if it isn't his own, which makes sense because I think it was stated somewhere that Benedict Cumberbatch was doing motion capture for Smaug AND the Necromancer.

I'm not sure how I feel about the Ring Wraiths showing up at Dol Guldur though... You can see a statue of one (or something like one) in the trailer, but I hope they're in some sort of different form. Otherwise the whole "disguised as riders in black" thing wouldn't make much sense.


(This post was edited by Mooseboy018 on Aug 10 2012, 1:11am)


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Aug 10 2012, 1:21am

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How would they possibly justify including that last one in the films? [In reply to] Can't Post

Turin the dragon slayer? There is no reference that I recall in either The Hobbit or LOTR to Turin slaying a dragon. The only reference to him that I can think of him at all is when Elrond tellls Frodo that if he takes on the quest he would be as big an Elf-friend as Hurin, Turin or Beren.

Hmmm?

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 10 2012, 1:24am

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I'm not so sure about Samwise or Gimli (or Arwen) either, and some of that dragon stuff sounds a little fishy too. But that one with Bofur riding a cold-drake sounds almost too random and specific to be made up.

And I would have assumed the boar riders were game only additions if we hadn't heard about them already.


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 10 2012, 1:29am

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Rights and legal stuff... [In reply to] Can't Post

I wonder if they could get away with mentioning that Turin slayed a dragon. I mean...would it really be that much of a big deal? I'm not sure how strict that kind of thing would be in terms of rights. But I assume Games Workshop would have to hold to similar restrictions as the filmmakers.


TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Aug 10 2012, 1:33am

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Holy crap on a cracker!
I'm off searching for pictures . . . . . . . . .


The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,

"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"


Ardamírë
Valinor


Aug 10 2012, 1:39am

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Please let me see Arwen! [In reply to] Can't Post

Liv Tyler is enough to get me to see these movies, even if they turn out terrible Angelic

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast, as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower."


Mooseboy018
Grey Havens


Aug 10 2012, 1:46am

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Whether all of these characters are actually in the movie or not, the lack of Elladan, Elrohir, and Glorfindel has me a little annoyed.


(This post was edited by Mooseboy018 on Aug 10 2012, 1:46am)


MatthewJer18
Rohan

Aug 10 2012, 1:52am

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Even though the films will introduce characters like Radagast, it's a little too late to do much with Elladan and Elrohir since they were passed over in the trilogy. What is there to do, give them brief cameos or a few lines in Rivendell? *shrug*


Ardamírë
Valinor


Aug 10 2012, 1:54am

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No love at all. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm sad that we'll not get to see them in these films.

Hopefully, whenever new adaptations are made we will get to see them in action.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast, as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower."


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Aug 10 2012, 1:58am

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What are you talking about?? The Weasley twins will play them, we know that!


Mybear
Bree

Aug 10 2012, 1:58am

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Are u sure that some aren't from Lotr or Hobbit? [In reply to] Can't Post

Ok i'm soo happy that you found this. Btw nice find. Though the problem is that a couple of these figures seem like they aren't from LOTR or TH.

Here are the ones I'm questioning:

Grey Mountain Dragons: Fire-wyrms
Grey Mountain Dragons: Braga & Goldscale Worshippers
Grey Mountain Dragons: Venomblade Assassin
Grey Mountain Dragons: Goldscale Priest
Grey Mountain Dragons: Money Bags and Hired Knives
Dol Guldur: The Willowhags
Dol Guldur: Bloodwraiths (Why not just 'ring'wraiths)

Either these aren't from the movies but are expanded upon by the company that makes the minifigures. Or they are from a different franchise/movie/thingy.

I might be totally wrong but just putting in some input. Wink


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Aug 10 2012, 1:59am

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If this list is drawn from the movies they are going to be something. Evil

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Mybear
Bree

Aug 10 2012, 2:01am

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Is anyone else concerned about... [In reply to] Can't Post

Men of Esgaroth: Bain & Quickstrings Gang / Trout Guild Militia.

I'm not that into the whole Bain thing. Having a child warrior is not needed in the story. Now it seems like Bain will have a whole group of kids called the Quickstrings Gang and is intended to be 'cute' or something. Again there is little to go upon but i'm kind of worried about this. Unimpressed


Ardamírë
Valinor


Aug 10 2012, 2:01am

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"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast, as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower."


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Aug 10 2012, 2:09am

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well [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink Gotcha!Cool


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Aug 10 2012, 2:14am

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Note: does not contain re-releases, non-miniature products or the miniature range with codes below 2xxx
Note: contains only boxes that are currently NOT in mass production, expect release beginning in june 2013 at the earliest, the bulk of the releases for the first movie are done by then
Note: leaked before the announcement of the third movie, unknown if this is accounted for
Note: not every release has to be based on the movie, Games Workshop has released miniatures before that were omitted by PJ, like Glorfindel, Elladan & Elrohir, and so on

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

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Mybear
Bree

Aug 10 2012, 2:19am

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This is what we now know (provided if these things are in the movie)... [In reply to] Can't Post

Events:
-It is almost obvious that w/ three films none of the major events of the books will be left out.

Battles:
-It seems the Battle of Dale against Smaug will be a big feature in the films (especially considering its the biggest set they have built)
-The Battle of Five Armies seems to have many events such as a siege, the breaking of a gate, etc. and in my opinion seems to be a combo of Pellenor Fields and Helm's Deep
-There seems to be a "Assault on the Barrows", now if the barrows are part of Dol Guldur or not remains to be seen but we already know that the Battle of Dol Guldur will be in, as it was confirmed by Peter Jackson on FB
-Like it or not it seems as if Dain will have a legion of Boar-riders as well as heavy infantry (Billy Connolly wasn't joking!)

-Characters (Some of these might be just minifigures and not based from the movie, but who knows!)

-Drogo Baggins is apparently at a time in a Tavern (Green Dragon perhaps)
-I doubt (Samwise Gamgee, Gimli, Estel, or Arwen) are in but again who knows
-The Necromancer takes a physical form called a 'Flesh Avatar'
-Radagast will have met with Roac at some point in the films
-Gollum's escape might be shown (Whether this is from Barad-Dur or Goblin Town remains to be seen)
-Vampire bats are IN


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Aug 10 2012, 2:31am

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Unless they are surprise cameos? [In reply to] Can't Post

But as Kangi points out (thanks Kangi, this came up in the other thread as well) GW has released characters that did not appear in the movies both under the movie banner, and apart from it.

Given they have a "Battle of Five Armies" set, and other Tolkien characters that pre-date (and seem unrelated to) the movies, suggests they may have obtained a license independently of the movies and then entered into an agreement with the film to use movie designs as well.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Aug 10 2012, 2:34am

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The Necromancer / Flesh Avatar [In reply to] Can't Post

seems to answer the question of how Sauron will be handled. Flesh Avatar implies that (normally) the being does not have a physical body.

Gee I would really hate to see GM get in trouble over this... I really love their products.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Aug 10 2012, 2:53am

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still glad figwit made it in? (Just kidding! Love you Brett!)Laugh

Incidentally, if you snoop around Game Workshop's amazing site you will find not only Radagast, but Tom and Goldberry, and even Dain and Balin (who looks nothing like movie Balin btw).

You may have to use the search function there to find specific characters. For instance here is what I found when I typed "Barrow Wight" into the search box:



See listing: http://www.games-workshop.com/...?prodId=prod1500565a

ps they do have Elladan and Elrohir, but again they were released under "The Lord of the Rings Strategy Battle Game" title. This doesn't mean they will be in The Hobbit movie either.


HiddenSpring
Lorien

Aug 10 2012, 3:06am

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A lot of these look like they could be legitimately be related to the films.

The Dragons of the Grey Mountains! Círdan the Shipwright! I wonder what Saruman has to do with the Ringwraiths. Note how he seems to be excluded from the Dol Guldur battle. Also, what might Galadriel (Barrel) and Galadriel (Water Steed) mean?


Yngwulff
Gondor


Aug 10 2012, 3:10am

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Assuming this list is accurate to what is going to be in the movies, it would imply that lesser dragons may be a part of the forces at Dol Guldur?

Elros - where does he fit in???
Estel
Hmmm


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(This post was edited by Yngwulff on Aug 10 2012, 3:16am)

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