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How do you think they'll handle Bilbo's invisibility?
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Aug 6 2012, 5:48am

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That's because [In reply to] Can't Post

In the books, using the Ring does not have the effect of immediately alerting Sauron and the Nazgul to its precise location, as if it sends off some sort of GPS signal. This inconsistency is the product of unfortunate simplification and alteration by PJ.

Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Aug 6 2012, 12:09pm

Post #52 of 56 (247 views)
Exacerbated by certainly, but not entirely a product of the films. [In reply to] Can't Post

Sauron and the Nazgul's ability to locate the ring is rather a movable feast in the texts.
It is implied strongly that Sauron is personally searching for the ring from a distance and that the threat of him succeeding is felt to be real by the ring bearers.
The only two factors which seem to consistently be presented as increasing the chance of discovery are being inside the borders of Mordor and wearing the ring (Amon Hen, Minas Morgul, Sam x 2 and Mount Doom)
But beyond that there is a good deal of variance - Amon Hen in particular is a very close call which is only averted by Gandalf's direct intervention.

I think we can flex the details with interpretation but the slight issue is the more we lessen Sauron and his troops ability to locate the ring (and thus make much easier Bilbo's frequent local uses in TH) the more we lesson Sauron's threat in general. If he has only the physical means that you or I have at our disposal then throwing it in the sea starts to look more reasonable, over whatever timeframe.

It is not impossible and we can create all manner of explanations but the audience has to do the running.


(This post was edited by Lacrimae Rerum on Aug 6 2012, 12:18pm)


Aug 6 2012, 12:18pm

Post #53 of 56 (240 views)
Invisible "twilight" Frodo toy... [In reply to] Can't Post



They always make invisible toys and call it "limited edition" it actually means it's a faulty model that didn't get painted. I have a few "camouflage" aliens and a "hologram" Iron Man http://www.popcultcha.com.au/...20holographiww_1.jpg It has nothing to do with the movie.

(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Aug 6 2012, 12:25pm)

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Aug 6 2012, 2:29pm

Post #54 of 56 (191 views)
"Twilight" Frodo? [In reply to] Can't Post

Frodo Baggins, Vampire Hunter?



"I desired dragons with a profound desire"

"It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?"
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Aug 6 2012, 4:44pm

Post #55 of 56 (217 views)
I think it'll be ring world with a twist [In reply to] Can't Post

We the audience will be able to see Bilbo most of the time, but with the added tones and background effect of what everyone here is calling "ring world." But every once in while they'll include a shot of empty background in which a branch will move by itself or a small peeble will scoot, just to reinforce to the audience "Hey, he's invisible."

"Alas for Boromir! It was too sore a trial!"


The Shire

Aug 6 2012, 8:30pm

Post #56 of 56 (314 views)
Well, it worked [In reply to] Can't Post

For the Emperor and his new clothes, after all ;)

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And probably the only way they could make an invisible toy - that or persuade people to buy an empty box!

"Gods don't like people not doing much work. People who aren't busy all the time may start to think."
- Terry Pratchett, Small Gods

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