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Ove Hill and Under Hill Discussion - Part Two

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Jul 31 2012, 4:51pm

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After finding shelter in a promising cave, the company is attacked by goblins-----

Out jumped the goblins, big goblins, great ugly-looking goblins, lots of goblins, before you could say rocks and blocks.

That’s four times the word 'goblin' is used in one sentence. Considering that and emphasis on “rocks and blocks”, how does this come across? Is it lyrical? Is Tolkien conveying a specific style?

The passages there were crossed and tangled in all directions, but the goblins knew their way, as well as you do to the nearest post-office…

Like numerous times throughout the book, Tolkien establishes a connection to the reader. In this case, what sort of assumptions is he making? What if the reader doesn’t know their way to the post-office? Is this statement universal, or are we meant to take on a specific role as readers?

We are treated to a sketch of the goblins:

Now goblins are cruel, wicked, and bad-hearted. They make no beautiful things, but they make clever ones….. It is not likely that they invented some of the machines that have since troubled the world, especially the ingenious devices for killing large numbers of people at once….

From my knowledge, “clever” can be seen on the same grounds as “genius”. Are goblins really genius at heart? Is there evidence to show this? Does this better define them as a race? If they aren’t all that smart, what does Tolkien mean by clever? Is he writing in another perspective? Could it be his own view on the industry of war? In such a case, what do the goblins reflect?

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