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News from Bree
spymaster@theonering.net
Jul 31 2012, 10:35am
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EXCLUSIVE: New Line registers Hobbit movie titles
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We have exclusive and reliable news from Ringer Spy Thrush that New Line has registered the following film titles:
- The Desolation of Smaug
- The Battle of Five Armies
- The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
- The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies
Apparently this doesn't mean New Line is definitely going to use one, or both, or either of them! Our spy tells us that because they must register their eventual title, studios often register multiple titles. One could suggest, based on these titles, that maybe we'll have a change to the first film title? That 'An Unexpected Journey' memorabilia would sure increase in value!  We've included some completely fan made versions of the movie title logos below! Enjoy!
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DanielLB
Elvenhome
Jul 31 2012, 3:49pm
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What about "There and Back Again"?
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Both titles are fine by me. I was hoping that There and Back Again would still be used:
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
The Hobbit: There and Back Again
It doesn't matter if the titles don't full represent what's in the films  .
Can we expect confirmation pretty soon then?
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dormouse
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Jul 31 2012, 3:54pm
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I like your three choices, Daniel
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Maybe they haven't made their minds up and are covering all possibilities, but I think 'There and Back Again' is far more suited to the end of Bilbo's story than 'Battle of Five Armies'
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Shelob'sAppetite
Doriath
Jul 31 2012, 3:56pm
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I think they roughly reveal what the structure of the 3 films will be.
1. From the Shire to Thranduil's Halls
2. From Thranduil's Halls to the Lonely Mountain
3. The Battle of Five Armies and back to the Shire
The only change to film 1 that I can imagine is that instead of the conclusion being Barrels out of Bond, we end on a cliffhanger, with the dwarves captured and Bilbo at a loss. But I doubt that. Based on how the LOTR films ended, I imagine PJ will want to give the audience a hopeful sign that the journey is progressing to its destination, and the perfect place for that is Bilbo on a barrel looking ahead and seeing the Lonely Mountain far off in the distance.
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GoodGuyA
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Jul 31 2012, 3:56pm
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I always hate spoilery titles. Yes, we expect the dragon to be defeated, but why take that away with the title? It's plot related instead of theme related. Also makes it sound a bit generic, don't you think?
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Welsh hero
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Jul 31 2012, 3:59pm
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I don't expect them to change the title for the first film
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So it's all about films 2 and 3
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DanielLB
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Jul 31 2012, 3:59pm
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Desolation refers to the destruction caused by Smaug
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Not to his death.
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JWPlatt
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Jul 31 2012, 4:00pm
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This is hardly an exclusive. This news came out yesterday from a company that monitors domain registrations. These titles are not fact, but speculation based upon those registered domains.
Here's a link to something like anyone could have found through Google yesterday:
http://blastr.com/...domain-registrat.php
It reports the domains:
desolationofsmaug.com
riddlesindark.com
thedesolationofsmaug.com
thehobbitdesolationofsmaug.com
thehobbitriddlesindark.com
thehobbitthedesolationofsmaug.com
thehobbittheriddlesinthedark.com
theriddlesinthedark.com
(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Jul 31 2012, 4:07pm)
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Shelob'sAppetite
Doriath
Jul 31 2012, 4:00pm
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The Desolation of Smaug doesn't suggest that he's been defeated
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As the desolation was there well before he was killed. All it refers to is the desolation caused by Smaug...You know, a ruined Dale, and a bit of a blasted landscape around the mountain...
I also find it rather unimaginative, though...
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DanielLB
Elvenhome
Jul 31 2012, 4:00pm
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The same thing happened before AUJ and TABA were announced?
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I'm sure there were a number of names that were liscenced before we found out the two titles. I've tried searching the forum, but can't find anything.
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Welsh hero
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Jul 31 2012, 4:00pm
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and they need to use there and back again.
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and it is best suited to the final film, so it's film 2 that get's the new name
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DesiringDragons
Menegroth
Jul 31 2012, 4:00pm
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I like these three the best as well.
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"Battle of Five Armies" seems like an awkward title for a film which I am hoping will end with Bilbo back in Hobbiton again.
"There and Back Again" is just so perfect on every level.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Dor-Lomin
Jul 31 2012, 4:02pm
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"An Unexpected Journey" and "There and Back Again" were such perfect titles for the Hobbit films. They were completely in the spirit of Bilbo's journey. These new titles reek of "EPIC Lord of the Rings Prequel!"
I will be so sad if "There and Back Again" is not used as the final film's title. 
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
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DanielLB
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Jul 31 2012, 4:02pm
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"Battle of Five Armies" is news to me /
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Shelob'sAppetite
Doriath
Jul 31 2012, 4:06pm
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Agreed on the old titles being better
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Though my main concern is whether or not these films will be good, not what their names are. And at this point, I am inclined to believe that these films will benefit if PJ has more time, and more luxury to keep everything that's in the books in the films.
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RosieLass
Doriath
Jul 31 2012, 4:06pm
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I hope they come up with something better than that... //
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It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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RosieLass
Doriath
Jul 31 2012, 4:08pm
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Since that happened long before the main story opens...
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...it seems an odd choice, even for a middle film of three.
Unless they're going to include a bunch of the backstory in the second film, which would be a huge momentum killer.
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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Captain Salt
Dor-Lomin
Jul 31 2012, 4:08pm
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Agreed that these are the best three choices...
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I'd prefer they stuck with AUJ and TABA, with TDOS for the middle chapter.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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DanielLB
Elvenhome
Jul 31 2012, 4:10pm
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And it doesn't refer to the event, but to the (geographical) location /
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Captain Salt
Dor-Lomin
Jul 31 2012, 4:12pm
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Yes, AUJ and TABA were SO perfect. TBOFA in particular is just cumbersome as a title, and
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I seem to recall some detractors referring to TTT as "Peter Jackon's Helm's Deep" back in 2002...imagine the ribbing if they actually name the entire third film after the major action setpiece and not Bilbo's exploits.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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RosieLass
Doriath
Jul 31 2012, 4:15pm
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It's much more interesting and picturesque than "The Battle of Five Armies."
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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RosieLass
Doriath
Jul 31 2012, 4:16pm
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Which makes it even duller.
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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QuackingTroll
Doriath
Jul 31 2012, 4:17pm
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But he doesn't go there and back again...
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If he's already at Lonely Mountain by the end of film 2, he's already "there", so the movie would be "The Hobbit: Back Again" which sounds stupid. Pretty sure they're giving both movies new titles.
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Spaldron
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Jul 31 2012, 4:19pm
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... and possibly go with TDOS for the middle film. Its a possibility as the second film could culminate in Smaugs attack on Dale.
“A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities.”
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