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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 31 2012, 6:23am
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The Battle of Azanulbizar does have a lot to do with Thorin's story, however
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And IMO, the Hobbit is about how Bilbo and Thorin view the world differently, and how a blend of their two modes is the best sort of way to be... So, in my view, a Hobbit film with lots of dwarven history stuff in it is still the Hobbit. And lastly, it's a bit strange to say that this is becoming just a collection of tales with the Quest of Erebor among them, just because some people here are calling for the addition of Aragorn and Arwen, and the fall of Arnor. As far as I am aware, these people are not part of the production, and have no say in what gets included. My sense is that PJ and company will be sticking to the timeframe of the Hobbit, and the general narrative of the Hobbit, and will simply indulge a bit more of the dwarven history, and the goings on at Laketown and Thranduil's Halls. I don't think we're getting any bridge material per se. This will all be Hobbit, with Hobbit-related stuff from the Appendices.
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Lissuin
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Jul 31 2012, 6:28am
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Milknut
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Jul 31 2012, 6:29am
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Sigh. Hope they know what they're doing.//
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The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie___
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Jul 31 2012, 6:45am
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I can haz parshull tikit refund? Ossim! =) //
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********************************** NABOUF Not a TORns*b! Certified Curmudgeon Knitting Knerd NARF: NWtS Chapter Member since June 17,2011
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Milknut
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Jul 31 2012, 6:58am
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I actually think the multiple endings think could have easily been avoided.
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All they would have had to do is not black out so long in between each "ending." It only felt weird because the audience kept expecting each shot to be the last and when it wasn't it was jarring. If they'd cut more smoothly it would have felt a lot better.
The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie___
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 31 2012, 6:59am
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It wasn't the content of LOTR's film ending that was the problem. It was the execution. That is the overriding problem with PJ's films, IMO. Poor execution, all around.
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Milknut
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Jul 31 2012, 8:08am
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I wouldn't go nearly that far.//
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The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie___
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redgiant
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Jul 31 2012, 8:20am
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The telling of Arnor, Azanulbizar, Fornost/Witch-king, Aragorn/Elros/Ring of Barahir, Durin's Bane will be woven into the trilogy
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Both as great depth of history, and as connector threads to LOTR later. They will have many AHA! moments for the audience to realize "Oh, THAT's where that started".
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dormouse
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Jul 31 2012, 8:47am
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And I wish I had some happy dust to sprinkle around here. So far as I can see, the only reason Peter Jackson would have gone to the studio with a request to add more filming and split this into three films is because he thinks it will work better. Better. He wants to make the best possible film. Is he right? No idea. I don't know but - get this - nor does anyone else here. None of us have seen the scripts. No one knows what material he is adding or - even more crucially - HOW he is adding it. Seems to me that people are upsetting themselves with their own theories, which might bear no relation whatever to the actual film. There is no fixed length for an adaptation. I could outline the story of the Hobbit in a couple of minutes while Rob Inglis takes 11 hours to read it unabridged - and that's without explaining where Gandalf went. I'm completely baffled by the way posters here who liked the latest production video and were positively ecstatic about the panoramic poster and the details coming out from Comic-con are now rushing round in circles shouting 'Doom!' and 'Tell the King the sky is falling' because a film they were looking forward to in two parts is now to be divided into three. It's the same film. Anyone who had reservations before, or who simply doesn't like Peter Jackson's films, I can understand, but the rest? It seems very sad to me if people who were quite prepared to enjoy this a few weeks ago are going to talk themselves into rejecting now it even before they've seen it, just because it's divided differently. Me? I go back to the trailer, which I enjoyed, the production videos, which I enjoyed, the panoramic poster, which is brilliant. Everything (almost everything) I've seen so far looks extremely good and I'm looking forward to seeing the film. Then I'll decide if I like it or not.
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Nightingale
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Jul 31 2012, 12:11pm
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Oh blast. Not too pleased about this one//
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"You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me" - C. S. Lewis "That line between the earth and sky came beckoning to me..." - Laurie's Song
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Noria
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Jul 31 2012, 1:01pm
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... but too sensible when people are enjoying themselves so much freaking out. But I agree with every word. Then, I'm almost always on the side of "wait and see how it turns out in the finished movie" concerning spoilers and leaks. I too believe that when PJ, Fran and Philippa looked at the rough cut of The Hobbit, they likely saw that they had way more great footage than they could comfortably fit into two films. With some additional filming, some of which was already planned, they could make three better movies. This upsizing of The Hobbit to epic proportions is fine with me. I love the LotR EEs but that is because they include additional material. If the equivalent material makes it into The Hobbit theatrical versions, I'll be happy. But probably there will be Hobbit EEs anyway; too much money to be made.
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Lusitano
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Jul 31 2012, 1:29pm
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Im not sure if you re making fun of me....but if youre not, then indeed i forgot that summer time here in Europe means Winter time down under! Something to consider.... Proudfeet suit ...or Radagast's bird pooped costume?
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JWPlatt
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Jul 31 2012, 3:47pm
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Milknut: I actually think the multiple endings think could have easily been avoided. All they would have had to do is not black out so long in between each "ending." It only felt weird because the audience kept expecting each shot to be the last and when it wasn't it was jarring. If they'd cut more smoothly it would have felt a lot better. Or you could be more positive about it and treat each ending like encores at a concert. Quite the opposite of jarring, it makes me happy and appreciative to see that it is NOT yet the end of the night when the performers come out to play a little more after a fantastic show. Also, I think the fades in this context are much more appropriate than cuts. The fades connote a passage of time and separate events. Cuts imply a faster, concurrent pace. After the climax, it's time to relax.
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Kangi Ska
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Jul 31 2012, 4:24pm
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Isn't great art about violating the audience's expectations? //
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Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain Life is an adventure, not a contest. At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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JWPlatt
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Jul 31 2012, 4:34pm
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You mean like Prometheus?
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Lissuin
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Jul 31 2012, 6:35pm
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that I was, indeed, making fun of you. Whatever costume you wear should be wind- and waterproof. I fear we will have a soggy, cold red carpet event for The Hobbit: There!... and There!...and There! and Back Again. But we will meet here with bells on nonetheless! Lusitano, my friend, that will be a night to remember!
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 31 2012, 6:37pm
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Narratively, that film was a mess
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But I admit that visually, it was very affecting. In fact, I can't get it out of my head...
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Lissuin
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Jul 31 2012, 6:49pm
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Happy dust is certainly needed, Dormouse.
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I can just imagine all the tossing and turning last night. I for one slept like a baby. The wait is over. The other shoe has dropped. It's out of our hands, Tornfolk - and it has always been so; fortunately, because how would we ever decide how to do it? The Hobbit: By Consensus. It would never happen. Now we can get on here with some productive speculation about what will be in each film.
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Lissuin
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Jul 31 2012, 6:51pm
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Oscarilbo
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Jul 31 2012, 7:11pm
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"...but my own adventure turned out to be quite different"
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I hope PJ do not forget the importance of that line, and I'm confident he wont.
"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"
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Lusitano
Tol Eressea
Jul 31 2012, 7:46pm
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I had a feeling....(slowly removes dagger from pocket....) Indeed you seem to have that wonderfully dry and warm british weather Indeed it shall! I shall have the best costume! I shall go as Playboy Smeagol
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Lissuin
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Jul 31 2012, 8:12pm
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But I do agree with you and JW about Prometheus.
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At least if I understand you both to mean that it was just a bit disappointing for whatever reason. But that's for Off Topic, right? And a road to finding new allies and enemies.
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