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DanielLB
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Jul 22 2012, 12:13pm
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Was Sauron's downfall Thrain's key?
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I've often wondered why, when Sauron imprisoned Thrain in Dol Guldur (and took from him his Dwarf-Ring), he did not also take the map and key which Thrain possessed? You would think that the Dark Lord's minions had searched Thrain thoroughly, and taken everything the dwarf had on him?
I can only think that, Sauron didn't think of them as important. He had got one of the Seven back, and that was what mattered to him. Whatever else a prisoner might carry with him, except of course weapons that were certainly confiscated, was of no interest. The prisoner was going to rot in the dungeons for the rest of his life anyway...
This does seem to be the case:
"I do not know how [Thrain] endured so long, nor how he had kept these things hidden through all his torments. I think that the Dark Power had desired nothing from him except the Ring only, and when he had taken that he troubled no further, but just flung the broken prisoner into the pits to rave until he died. A small oversight, but it proved fatal. Small oversights often do." ( Unfinished Tales , Part III, Chapter 3: "The Quest of Erebor")
Had Sauron taken the map and key, would the Dwarves still gone on the Quest? Probably not, or perhaps they would've done, either later in time and/or with little success. If Gandalf hadn't turned up with the map or key, would Gollum have found the Ring (again) and kept it hidden for many more hundreds of years?
Was Sauron's downfall simply because he did not take Thrain's key? 
(This post was edited by DanielLB on Jul 22 2012, 12:18pm)
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Was Sauron's downfall Thrain's key?
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DanielLB
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Jul 22 2012, 12:13pm
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You have a good point
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jul 22 2012, 5:28pm
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Sauron was blinded by the Ring
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DanielLB
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Jul 22 2012, 5:39pm
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At other times Sauron would have been right
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jul 22 2012, 5:55pm
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You're right. So I wonder ...
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DanielLB
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Jul 22 2012, 6:23pm
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Good question
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jul 22 2012, 9:08pm
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Or Thrain was able to hide them
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Yngwulff
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Jul 22 2012, 10:04pm
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In the beard, perhaps?
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Macfeast
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Jul 22 2012, 10:40pm
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You would think they would have
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 7:10am
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Stripping him bare would amount to nothing.
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Plurmo
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Jul 24 2012, 4:39am
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hahahahaha!
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DanielLB
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Jul 24 2012, 7:04am
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bad-guy turf war?
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Escapist
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Jul 23 2012, 4:27pm
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the tenth mistake, indeed!//
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Felagund
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Jul 23 2012, 6:47pm
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Thank you ;-) /
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 7:53pm
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I don't really think so.
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sador
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Jul 23 2012, 12:17pm
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Yes, I agree that it was part of a much greater general character flaw
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 12:32pm
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That reminds me of a certain
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Curious
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Jul 23 2012, 4:16pm
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Good point Curious
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DanielLB
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Jul 23 2012, 5:34pm
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The key was one link on one particular pathway to Sauron's downfall
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Escapist
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Jul 23 2012, 4:31pm
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Really evil...
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BallyWhooo
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Jul 25 2012, 2:20am
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That's a really good thought...
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DanielLB
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Jul 25 2012, 8:48am
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