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Was Sauron's downfall Thrain's key?

DanielLB
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Jul 22 2012, 12:13pm


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I've often wondered why, when Sauron imprisoned Thrain in Dol Guldur (and took from him his Dwarf-Ring), he did not also take the map and key which Thrain possessed? You would think that the Dark Lord's minions had searched Thrain thoroughly, and taken everything the dwarf had on him?

I can only think that, Sauron didn't think of them as important. He had got one of the Seven back, and that was what mattered to him. Whatever else a prisoner might carry with him, except of course weapons that were certainly confiscated, was of no interest. The prisoner was going to rot in the dungeons for the rest of his life anyway...

This does seem to be the case:


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"I do not know how [Thrain] endured so long, nor how he had kept these things hidden through all his torments. I think that the Dark Power had desired nothing from him except the Ring only, and when he had taken that he troubled no further, but just flung the broken prisoner into the pits to rave until he died. A small oversight, but it proved fatal. Small oversights often do." ( Unfinished Tales , Part III, Chapter 3: "The Quest of Erebor")



Had Sauron taken the map and key, would the Dwarves still gone on the Quest? Probably not, or perhaps they would've done, either later in time and/or with little success. If Gandalf hadn't turned up with the map or key, would Gollum have found the Ring (again) and kept it hidden for many more hundreds of years?

Was Sauron's downfall simply because he did not take Thrain's key? Crazy


(This post was edited by DanielLB on Jul 22 2012, 12:18pm)

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Was Sauron's downfall Thrain's key? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 22 2012, 12:13pm
    You have a good point Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jul 22 2012, 5:28pm
        Sauron was blinded by the Ring DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 22 2012, 5:39pm
            At other times Sauron would have been right Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jul 22 2012, 5:55pm
                You're right. So I wonder ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 22 2012, 6:23pm
                    Good question Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jul 22 2012, 9:08pm
                        Or Thrain was able to hide them Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Jul 22 2012, 10:04pm
                            In the beard, perhaps? Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Jul 22 2012, 10:40pm
                                You would think they would have DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 23 2012, 7:10am
                                    Stripping him bare would amount to nothing. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Jul 24 2012, 4:39am
                                        hahahahaha! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 24 2012, 7:04am
                        bad-guy turf war? Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jul 23 2012, 4:27pm
            the tenth mistake, indeed!// Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Jul 23 2012, 6:47pm
                Thank you ;-) / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 23 2012, 7:53pm
    I don't really think so. sador Send a private message to sador Jul 23 2012, 12:17pm
        Yes, I agree that it was part of a much greater general character flaw DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 23 2012, 12:32pm
    That reminds me of a certain Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 23 2012, 4:16pm
        Good point Curious DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 23 2012, 5:34pm
    The key was one link on one particular pathway to Sauron's downfall Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jul 23 2012, 4:31pm
    Really evil... BallyWhooo Send a private message to BallyWhooo Jul 25 2012, 2:20am
        That's a really good thought... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jul 25 2012, 8:48am

 
 
 

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