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Scheduled discussion chapter one part three

Hamfast Gamgee

Jul 15 2012, 11:16pm

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Part Three

Well we now read of a song summing up what has happened in Dale and the quest. Thorin and the Dwarves seem to think it is perfectly clear but Bilbo still wants the terms spelled out to him. Can't say I blame him especially taking into account that Dwarves can't always be totally trusted to keep to their side of the bargain. But the song stirs up something Tookish meaning brave in Hobbit terms inside this doesn't last long and at the first mention of danger faints in fright. I think by now we must be getting the idea that Mr. Bilbo Baggins is not your traditional type of hero!

Once he is taken to his bed for a lie down Gandalf assures the Dwarves that Bilbo is as fierce as a Dragon in a pinch. Which the narrator also assures us is quite fierce to those that have seen one. Can't say I have. Has anyone? I was once barked at by a large dog whilst out walking, does that count? Also we hear that one of Bilbos ancestors did have a famous battle against Goblins and won and invented the game of Golf at the same time. Oh, we'll cant have everything I suppose. Only joking Golf fans. Also are the Dwares convinced by this? Those of them that know anything about Hobbits must realise that this is a bit of an exaggeration.

Gloin certainly isn't convinced. It is only when Gandalf gets annoyed that Gloin is convinced. Though in Unfinished tales we discover that Gloin is only expressing what the other Dwarves think. Now why was Gandalf convinced against all reason that a little Hobbit, Bilbo would be the turning point for events in the wild? Was it only when he was talking to Bilbo? Was it really just a feeling he had or was it more sheer desperation at the state of the wild.

Another thing we find out is why Bilbo decided eventually to go on this journey and why his Took side triumphed over his Baggins one. The Dwarves almost goaded him into doing it. Gandalf has a key. Thorin is a bit suspicious about how the Wizard got hold of it, but accepts Gandalf's explanation. Not understanding matters completely by the Dwarves song, Bilbo wants a plain explanation of what the quest is about.

A plain explanation is probably not the best thing to ask of Thorin. He is one Dwarf that likes to speak. As we are about to find out. Now you can read the text about Smaugs attack on Erebor as good as I so I will just make a few points here. Firstly with a little read- through I do like the general description of Smaugs attack upon Erebor. Stirring stuff. And quite a nice explanation. Still concerning Smaug. Now Smaugs might be a powerful Dragon but he is only one creature. Could he really by himself cause the amount of devastation as described? Destroy two whole civilisations? He might be a bad guy but he's a powerful one. Often in these tales we do hear of the good guys slaying large numbers of Goblins for example. But this is the one really hard enemy. Legolas can kill forty- one Orcs in battle but can he take on Smaug? I have doubts.

And about Dragons. In parts of the Hobbit we do often hear of many Dragons of the north affecting Dwarves and Men. But officially only two of the. Third age are ever mentioned. I can't help but wonder of how many more tales of Dragons there might have been. A slight aside I have vague memories even before reading the Hobbit reading of tales of Dragons and the contract tjat the dragon-slayer had. Have he kingdom and the Kings daughter in marriage. Tolkien has obviously not decided to include that here.

It is also hear that we read about the Necromancer for the first time. There is actually quite a lot of ground cover in one chapter. But I'm not going to go through all of it. Don't want me to do all your work for you do you? I have also spotted a little bit of nasty stuff. That's if a creature from hell eating whole civilisations isn't nasty enough, actually. When describing Smaugs habits Thorin says that the Dragon liked to take people especially maidens to eat. A little bit of extreme horror or even violent porn in the Hobbit I wonder if Peter Jackson has spotted this.

One more comment I would like to make. This chapter as have said does start of nice and quiet. Almost boring in fact. No dramatic start to get peoples attention here. In fact any new reader might put the book down in the middle of the good morning discussion. But how realistic is this? Would a species of people really have no knowledge of what happens beyond their small countries borders? An then one of them turns out to be the saviour of civilizied peoples. This is not just suspending disbelief, this is chucking it out with the bathwater. Some might argue.

Anyway thank you for your comments this week, as always feel free to post her anything which I might have omitted. This the final post of this weeks discussion, thank you.

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Scheduled discussion chapter one part three Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Jul 15 2012, 11:16pm
    Thoughts. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 16 2012, 1:31am
        Not sure silliness captures it... SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jul 16 2012, 2:59am
            Good catch about the dragon armor. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 16 2012, 3:08am
                Iunno, playful seems SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jul 16 2012, 4:25am
        The Dwarves of the Iron Hills Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jul 16 2012, 4:33pm
            But Beorn and Bard did serve Gandalf's purposes. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 16 2012, 5:06pm
                Actually, I doubt that Gandalf knew anything of Bard in advance... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jul 16 2012, 5:45pm
                    That's possible. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 16 2012, 6:10pm
                        Gandalf could have probably provided the Company with more information... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jul 16 2012, 6:32pm
                            Yes, Gandalf withholds so much information Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 16 2012, 6:39pm
                                The path titanium_hobbit Send a private message to titanium_hobbit Jul 18 2012, 2:42pm
                                    I'm sure Gandalf didn't purposely mislead them. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jul 19 2012, 2:45am
    Answers sador Send a private message to sador Jul 16 2012, 1:23pm


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