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zarabia
Tol Eressea


Jul 13 2012, 3:57am

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In this scene showing the Fellowship exiting Moria in shock and grief, PJ uses slow motion yet again. Sound drops out, and we hear only the singing of a hauntingly beautiful voice. With Aragorn's exhortation that they be on their way, we are returned to normal speed and sound. The scene ends with Aragorn calling to Frodo who turns to face the others with no obvious expression, but with a tell-tale trail of of a tear down his cheek. I'm always struck by the power of this scene, and most especially this shot. But that's just me. What say you???

BTW, please excuse this break with convention of asking several questions. Just trying a different approach.


(This post was edited by zarabia on Jul 13 2012, 4:00am)


Ataahua
Superuser / Moderator


Jul 13 2012, 4:45am

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Frodo's reaction here [In reply to] Can't Post

has me thinking of, "No more, I'm not taking part in this anymore, it's too hard. Gandalf can't be gone - it never happened - I won't stay here and acknowledge it."

So heartbreaking.

As an aside, how in earth do actors cry on cue??

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Saurons master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Lily Fairbairn
Half-elven


Jul 13 2012, 3:07pm

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I like how the angle of Frodo's head in this shot... [In reply to] Can't Post

...is the same as the angle of his head as he looks back at the other hobbits just after he's stepped on board the ship at the end of RotK. There's quite a contrast between the careworn and grief-stricken Frodo in this shot and the already beginning to heal one on the ship.

I doubt if this was planned, I think Wood just looked over his shoulder in both shots and his physiology created that particular angle. Still, it's cool Smile

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 13 2012, 6:05pm

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Elijah's best acting [In reply to] Can't Post

He's very good here.

I prefer the long shot of him alone, however. To me, the image of him alone on that rocky lansdcape communicates a message of sadness far better than a closeup of a tear rolling down a cheek.

Not a big fan of the emphasis on closeups in most of the SCOD entries...There are far more great long shots to choose from, IMO.


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Jul 13 2012, 7:39pm

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"I'm the one who chose to go through Moria." [In reply to] Can't Post

"Gandalf is dead - because of me."


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Jul 13 2012, 8:11pm

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"As an aside, how in earth do actors cry on cue??" Ataahua [In reply to] Can't Post

As I'm pretty new at this, I was afraid I'd have to find the answer to that question myself, so early on I looked for something on the internet. Google "actors crying on cue" and there's lots of advice. Here's just the first one: http://plays.about.com/...ing-And-Tears.htmand

PS: it works! Try it. Frown


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Jul 13 2012, 8:17pm

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Oops! This link to crying didn't work directly. [In reply to] Can't Post

http://plays.about.com/...ma_Basics_Advice.htm
Scroll down to the topic:
How to Cry - an Actor's Guide to Crying and tears


imin
Valinor


Jul 13 2012, 9:40pm

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The staring method [In reply to] Can't Post

I used to do that sometimes, when i was younger, if i knew i had done something really naughty and i was about to get in some big trouble. It worked for me! Evil


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 14 2012, 3:32am

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Memory works for me. [In reply to] Can't Post

Just the first few bars of "Think of Me" from Phantom of the Opera, and I'm reaching for a tissue. (I'm wiping my eyes while typing this.)

That was sung at a farewell party for a dear friend who was retiring and moving, 20 years ago, and he didn't tell us he knew he had less than a year to live. I've got a strong emotional bond between that song and his death.

Then, there's certain written passages that are tear-triggers! One of the best for me:

"And he sang to them, now in the Elven-tongue, now in the speech of the West, until their hearts, wounded with sweet words, overflowed, and their joy was like swords, and they passed in thought out to regions where pain and delight flow together and tears are the very wine of blessedness."

Heart


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Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Jul 14 2012, 5:32am

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For me it's music, Dernwyn. [In reply to] Can't Post

When we finally were asked to try to get some tears for a scene, they were playing a moving piece of music, which will, no doubt, be substituted with Howard Shore's beautiful music for the film. I was in the back of a group of extras and thought I'd try because the camera was no where near me and it would be a good time to practice. Tears poured down as the music helped me remember the feeling of personal loss. One thing I thought of was Eomer's cry of shock when he found Eowyn on the battlefield. After that first take, an assistant director came back and asked if anyone had been able to cry. My hand went up shakily. "Come with me", she said. "We'll put you in front - no pressure, or anything." Right. I got through 4 more takes with tears for each one, just remembering. It took hours after we wrapped to feel calm again. Another advantage of six decades of living, I guess.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 14 2012, 5:45am

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Interesting [In reply to] Can't Post

What scene was that for?

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Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Jul 14 2012, 5:50am

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Nice try. [In reply to] Can't Post

Evil


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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 14 2012, 6:04am

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Wasn't very subtle, was I? [In reply to] Can't Post

Feel free to share some more of your general life experiences via PM, however.

I'm always here to lend a sympathetic ear.

Smile


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Jul 14 2012, 12:10pm

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About as subtle as [In reply to] Can't Post

Shelob's appetite.
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Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Jul 14 2012, 1:48pm

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I agree Shelob [In reply to] Can't Post

Definitely his best acting moment in the trilogy-he had some pretty cringe-worthy moments (such as his smile to Sam at the end of RotK), but this was very good indeed.

"A Wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early: he arrives precisely when he means to!"-Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring.

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Jeremy
Rivendell

Jul 14 2012, 3:55pm

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Extra? [In reply to] Can't Post

You were an extra in The Hobbit? What did you play? Or is that top secret...


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Jul 14 2012, 8:19pm

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Long shot and closeup together show a huge change [In reply to] Can't Post

in Frodo's feelings about the job he's taken on. From the moment when he asked Gandalf in Bag End, "What must I do?", he showed he was willing to take personal responsibility for this terrible evil thing. But from the beginning, he had Gandalf, Strider, Elrond, and even Bilbo to tell him what he should do in order to accomplish the task. He is responsible for his own decision to carry the ring to Mordor, but he is not thinking of himself as a leader, as someone responsible for the lives of his friends.

When we see him alone after coming from the mine, the scene is set for Frodo's realization that he will have to do this task alone. In the film he makes the decision as leader to go through the mines, and the consequence of that decision is that one of his friends dies. The whole quest now takes on another dimension: "The decisions I make can have direct and lasting consequences for someone I love." Before this it was an abstract responsibility: "I have to do this so an evil will be removed from the world and the Shire and our way of life will be safe." The concrete effect of this shot is to show us that the Ringbearer truly is alone.

The closeup is so heart-breaking because his eyes show the devastation of a leader who has lost someone because of a decision to act in what seemed like the best way possible at the time. Frodo has been a decent person all his life but certainly not in charge of anything where his decisions have direct life or death consequences, as Strider, Gandalf, or Boromir have. He has just experienced the meaning of leadership in war and is horrified. This look of his says, "Look at the damage my first decision has done. I cannot do this again and risk any more hurt to the people I love. I won't. I'm on my own from now on."

I have a niggling thought in my head that I hear Philippa Boyens voice saying what I've just written. Was all this something I remember from the director's commentary from the EE for this scene? No time to play it to check. If that was the intention for Frodo's character, it works for me.


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Jul 14 2012, 8:49pm

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Welcome to the boards, Jeremy! [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope you'll enjoy the variety of topics and opinions around here.

Yes, there are a couple of us who have been lucky to spend time as extras. And yes, we signed long Non-Disclosure Agreements, so we can't get specific about what we've done, as you guessed. Sometimes I just can't help myself from commenting in a general way when a topic touches on something that effected me personally.
See you in the forums,
CheersSmile


titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Jul 15 2012, 6:51am

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idle speculation (and a book spoilery tangent- sorry) [In reply to] Can't Post

which you can just sit back and smirk at how wrong I am, Lissuin- no pressure to respond!

Perhaps it was (thinking to the book, and my suspicion that our Torn friends were extras at Lake town) when Lake town is burned and gone, and Bard, the hero, thought lost.

of course I could be totally wrong.

Though when it comes out I'd love to see screen grabs with you, MoaHunter and any others pointed out!

TH


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dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Jul 15 2012, 4:17pm

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That was perfect! [In reply to] Can't Post

They sure knew how to try to evoke emotions - and it worked perfectly for you! (And if that music did it, imagine how we in the audience are going to be, with Shore's music playing during that scene; thank you for the warning, I'll bring a box of tissues!)

"No pressure", LOL! Wonderful folks to work for! Cool


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"I desired dragons with a profound desire"

"It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?"
-Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915




Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Jul 16 2012, 9:12am

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I would never smirk at you, T_H! Speculate away! [In reply to] Can't Post

Moahunter and I are doing as much speculating as anyone here. This industry seems to thrive on speculation and rumour. "Will they/won't they?" It's impossible not to get caught up in it - I spent all morning yesterday glued to the SDCC happenings. Yay TORn!

The likelihood of an extra being recognizable on screen is not great, but never fear: if PJ liked my blubbering, everyone on TORn will hear about it eventually! Laugh


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jul 16 2012, 9:12am

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Go Lissuin!!! :D :D that sounds fantastic, and such a story ! :) // [In reply to] Can't Post

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Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jul 16 2012, 9:14am

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rofl, that's a great phrase! ! and full of PJ-related irony :P :P // [In reply to] Can't Post

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Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jul 16 2012, 9:23am

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I think that possibly this is the first scene where Frodo experiences complete devastation, and a greatly diminished hope [In reply to] Can't Post

Of course earlier in the story, Frodo is close to death etc., and things seem to be failing with the Nazgul chasing them etc., however, Frodo still keeps a strong sense of hope and wills himself to carry on, believing that he is near the end of his journey...

...But to lose Gandalf (one who has been the one of the mainstays of his hope for all this time) at such an early stage in this far longer and harder journey to Mordor is a catastrophic shock to him.

Devastation. Can I really do this without the help of one so wise and powerful?. What if Aragorn was to die? What if I were forced to do this alone?


This last point in fact is something which he finally realises must be the case. Namely, that he has to prepare for the eventuality of doing this nigh-impossible quest .... on his own.

I absolutely love this sequence. The fact that Frodo is isolated and away from everyone, and experiencing such sorrowful emotion, further emphasises what I have written above

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(This post was edited by Xanaseb on Jul 16 2012, 9:25am)


weaver
Half-elven

Jul 17 2012, 4:13am

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oh, good observation! [In reply to] Can't Post

I had not thought that the last shot of Frodo mirrored this one -- very nice! Thanks!

In both cases, Frodo's letting go of something -- Gandalf here, his life in the Shire, later --and the difference in how he handles it shows his growth and development.

I always liked the book descriptions of Frodo's evolution -- Sam and Gandalf both see what Frodo's trials reveal about his character in different physical ways...comparing this shot with the end shot is perhaps the best equivalent of that in the films.

Weaver



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