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Thorin's backstory and the Oaken Shield
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DarkJackal
Rohan


Jul 13 2012, 3:46am

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Thorin's backstory and the Oaken Shield Can't Post

The packaging for the 1:6 scale Thorin statue has some slightly interesting new text:


A proud and noble Dwarf of resolute character and stern bearing, Thorin was the grandson of Thror of the line of Durin and heir to the lost throne of Erebor. Alongside Moria, Erebor stood as the greatest of the realms of the Dwarves, a vast kingdom carved from the living rock of The Lonely Mountain, bustling with trade and bursting with wealth. Down upon Erebor the great dragon Smaug had fallen and the city and its people were engulfed by the inferno of his coming. Thorin and his kin were fortunate to escape with their lives, though they left everything else behind. Their treasure and pride was swept up by the dragon into a pile upon which he curled to sleep, deep inside the mountain.

Throughout the long, hard decades of his exile, Thorin's mind ever dwelled upon the thought of some day retaking the mountain and restoring his people to their erstwhile splendor. In time he would form a company of Dwarves, thirteen in number, and at the Wizard Gandalf's insistence, reluctantly employ the services of the Hobbit Bilbo Baggins, setting out for The Lonely Mountain with dreams of gold and glory.

The Limited Edition statue from Weta will give Comic-con attendees (or anyone who wants to pay double for it on ebay) a chance to own Thorin complete with his shield, while the rest of us will just get Thorin sans shield. It amuses me that even with this hype, we still have a hard time seeing the shield!

It is concealed quite well under his coat (another angle here). The best view is on the life-size statue of Thorin, currently poised to pounce on anyone walking by the Weta booth in San Diego.
Another view:




From the back of the Weta statue box comes this bit of additional information:

In this exclusive edition, Thorin carries at his side the item that gave him his name. An oaken shield, crafted from an Oak tree that once saved his life.

I noticed a few details on the shield in these shots that I was not expecting, but which help answer my questions over some aspects of the design. In this early view of a prototype (sitting on the table in front Peter Jackson) the shield maintains an organic shape, with the exception of two "prongs" which I could not figure out the reason for. While it still is not very clear in the newest images, these seem to be metal blades jutting out from one end, riveted to the wood. These nasty looking additions could make this object a useful weapon in a pinch.


titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Jul 13 2012, 4:16am

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reluctantly?? spoilers, from book [In reply to] Can't Post

reluctantly they took Bilbo as opposed to some other, but it was their superstition that made them take a fourteenth (Gandalf obviously not promising to stick around for the whole quest)


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Jul 13 2012, 4:18am

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great stuff! mind if i steal for front page? attribution offered! [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Magpie
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Jul 13 2012, 4:20am

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DarkJackal offers up a lot of good stuff like this. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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DarkJackal
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Jul 13 2012, 5:33am

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Steal whatever you like [In reply to] Can't Post

It's all yours Wink


DarkJackal
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Jul 13 2012, 5:35am

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Well if I can't be there [In reply to] Can't Post

I can still scour the net to get those little details that might be passed by Sly


DarkJackal
Rohan


Jul 13 2012, 5:41am

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Unfinished Tales? [In reply to] Can't Post

I think this points strongly to the "Quest of Erebor" material in Unfinished Tales.


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jul 13 2012, 8:21am

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*Mods Up* DarkJackal! you're awesome :D [In reply to] Can't Post

''of gold and glory''! love that whole paragraph description of Thorin and the quest.

And yeah those prongs might be a weapon addition.... or just to strengthen / reinforce the shield?? It is veeery old afterall and should be rotting (and useless?)hehe.

very interesting new descriptions Cool
I like this shield personally.

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DanielLB
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Jul 13 2012, 8:56am

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Thanks DarkJackal!! [In reply to] Can't Post

   
Does anyone else find the wording of "living rock" strange?


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jul 13 2012, 9:29am

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hmmm that is strange I suppose.. but I'd not think much of it hehe [In reply to] Can't Post

(then it turns out that it's -vital- to the film plot >_> <_< >_>)

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AlatarVinyamar
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Jul 13 2012, 9:32am

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Aha! [In reply to] Can't Post

Tis the place of Champions! The Living rock where a mighty Axe was buried!*


*obscure WWRY reference


ShireHorse
Rohan

Jul 13 2012, 10:40am

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"Carved out of the living rock/living stone" [In reply to] Can't Post

is a phrase I've come across regularly. I think that's how sculptors and stone-masons see the material they work with and the attitude goes back a long way. Stone contains shapes and figures just waiting for the mason to release them. When the stone "dies" it is said to "moulder".

Well done, DJ! You always notice stuff that the rest of us miss. I think the vicious metal points on the shield will serve a purpose. And, under the right circumstances, oak doesn't rot, Xanaseb, but hardens which is why the English have a patriotic 18th century naval song, "Hearts of Oak":

Hearts of oak[ are our ships,
Hearts of oak are our men,
We always are ready, steady boys, steady,


Kangi Ska
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Jul 13 2012, 11:11am

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Not necessarily from "The Quest for Erebor". [In reply to] Can't Post

All of the information could have been gleaned from other sources. Legally available to the production.

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artemy
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Jul 13 2012, 11:15am

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Wow DJ what would we do without you? [In reply to] Can't Post

Brilliant passage explaining Thorin's past, very evocative. I hope they include something about the dwarves' superstition though, I've always liked that about them.

I literally cannot continue my excitement! Laugh

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ShireHorse
Rohan

Jul 13 2012, 11:49am

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Erebor is a "vast kingdom". [In reply to] Can't Post

Can't wait to see that depicted in the film.


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jul 13 2012, 12:23pm

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Aaaaah that is quite fascinating Shire Horse! I had no clue about the hardening of oak! cheers! :D // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Xanaseb
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Jul 13 2012, 12:24pm

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totally agree with you about the superstition thing... though I'm not sure where that is seen in Tolkien's works.. .. but I love the sound of it!// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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ByThorinsBeard
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Jul 13 2012, 12:24pm

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Just wonderful thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

I really like the statute from the angle where we literally see the Oaken shield. I hope we get to see this in one of the movies (I'd think so if Weta designed it for the statute.)

Well done DarkJackal -Thank you for posting :)

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DanielLB
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Jul 13 2012, 12:52pm

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Thanks ShireHorse! [In reply to] Can't Post

I had assumed this was the case, and not a living, breathing Lonely Mountain Cool


artemy
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Jul 13 2012, 1:01pm

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Well Bilbo was added [In reply to] Can't Post

to make the company consist of 14 members rather than 13, therefore he was "chosen for the lucky number".

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Earl
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Jul 13 2012, 1:21pm

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Another thing I never understood [In reply to] Can't Post

Why didn't Thorin leave one Dwarf behind? Angelic



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artemy
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Jul 13 2012, 1:29pm

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Because the company would still have numbered 13 [In reply to] Can't Post

when Gandalf was travelling with them Tongue

The addition of Bilbo makes it a lucky 14 or 15 depending on whether Gandalf is around or not.

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(This post was edited by artemy on Jul 13 2012, 1:30pm)


DanielLB
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Jul 13 2012, 1:39pm

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Left where? (I'm being dim today...) / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Earl
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Jul 13 2012, 1:47pm

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I meant "left behind" [In reply to] Can't Post

Seems weird that Thorin set out with an unlucky number to begin with. He could just as well have set out with 11 other dwarves (for a total of 12), or 13 others (for a total of 14), but I suppose Gandalf had something to do with it just so that he could coax them into taking poor old Bilbo along Tongue



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DanielLB
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Jul 13 2012, 1:51pm

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Oooh I see! [In reply to] Can't Post

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