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Entertainment Weekly: "The Scroll" shows 10 hobbit scenes, dwarves, trolls, wargs, Beorn in bear form and more!
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QuackingTroll
Valinor

Jul 10 2012, 2:21am

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Actually.. [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it's spoilers for those who have... It probably just looks confusing to those that haven't.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jul 10 2012, 2:28am

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Is it just wishful thinking on my part [In reply to] Can't Post

or does Bifur not have an axe in his head in the barrel?

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


duats
Grey Havens

Jul 10 2012, 2:37am

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Wishful thinking [In reply to] Can't Post

It's just obscured by his black hair.


QuackingTroll
Valinor

Jul 10 2012, 2:44am

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I guess Voronwe wanted it to be ...wait for it... [In reply to] Can't Post

AXED Shocked


Eruthurin
Rivendell


Jul 10 2012, 3:06am

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hahahaha, very honored, mellon ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Buchanicus
Lorien


Jul 10 2012, 3:07am

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I notice that Kili is featured more than any other Dwarf on the banner [In reply to] Can't Post

He can be made out clearly in every "scene" of the Dwarves.

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(This post was edited by Buchanicus on Jul 10 2012, 3:07am)


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jul 10 2012, 3:10am

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I'm still not convinced // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Finrod
Rohan


Jul 10 2012, 3:18am

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Master Elrond, the Healer [In reply to] Can't Post

Elrond is known to have especial skill at extracting iron implements from very touchy spots. Maybe he pulled the axe-blade out of the Dwarf’s head when they were at Rivendell.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Jul 10 2012, 3:24am

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I like that! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


marillaraina
Rohan

Jul 10 2012, 3:29am

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Doubt it. [In reply to] Can't Post


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I understand of course that this is Entertainment Weekly and they're going to focus on sex appeal, but imo this amply demonstrates how Kili's image is a purely commercial decision. Hopefully he wont be used as much - and in the same way - in the film as he is in the promotion, stinking it all up with this pandering, gratuitous fanservice. Honestly, it reeks of Warner Bros.


I doubt that you'll get your wish, as I assume, given how they end, that Kili and Fili will have among the more prominent dwarf roles. They'll want to be able to play up their fate to maximum effect and honestly, IMO, that would be the case, no matter what they looked like. It just makes sense. It's tragic, they are young and energetic and hopeful and they die, and it's directly related to "Thorin's Folly". IMO that's not pandering, that's good storytelling, I always assumed that for the film, they were going to play up Thorin and his relationship with his nephews, flesh out Kili and Fili's characters so the audience would become attached to them. How they look may or may not be pandering, but their probable place in the story makes perfect dramatic sense.

That said I don't disagree that some of that probably played into WB's choices for use in the photo scroll.


Altaira
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Jul 10 2012, 3:29am

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Lol [In reply to] Can't Post

Excellent theory, Finrod.


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duats
Grey Havens

Jul 10 2012, 3:32am

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Haven't we seen him with the axehead [In reply to] Can't Post

In scenes taking place after Rivendell?


kimber
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Jul 10 2012, 4:09am

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A visible hobbit perhaps? [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree that this is the bridge to the elvenking's halls, but looking at the hi-res picture I think these 13 figures are 12 dwarves plus a visible Bilbo second in line. If the movie follows the book Thorin should already be inside. Or is this the 13 dwarves and Bilbo is invisible?

The dwarves have no elven guard bringing them in, so maybe the movie has them entering of their own will, seeking help or following Thorin? Definitely looks like a change in their mode/motivation of arrival.


kimber
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Jul 10 2012, 4:25am

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just wolves [In reply to] Can't Post

To me it looks like a wolf howling straight up, with two others entering from the woods. Hard to see though. I don't think we need Radagast to ride to the rescue in this scene, though who knows where he will be inserted into the story?


kimber
Registered User

Jul 10 2012, 4:35am

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White council? [In reply to] Can't Post

My guess is that given the three characters present, this is a scene from a (partial) White Council meeting and Elrond is considering some sort of evidence about the necromancer's activities: an evil blade unwrapped from its cloth (the wavy thing it is on looks more like cloth than paper) with an accompanying message. Maybe a message sent from Radagast or Saruman since neither is pictured?

I am so eager to see how the White Council is dealt with in the movies, and especially to see Christopher Lee again!


DarkJackal
Rohan


Jul 10 2012, 4:40am

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Some possible post-barrels/movie 2 moments [In reply to] Can't Post

For what it's worth, I posted this about a month ago:

Dwalin and Gloin crossing a creek (v-log 5). I think Dwalin is holding a different weapon than the war hammer or axes of before.

Bilbo wearing a different coat and gloves with Gloin in robes in the background.

Ori sneaking into frame behind PJ, wearing robes



(This post was edited by DarkJackal on Jul 10 2012, 4:42am)


kimber
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Jul 10 2012, 4:47am

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Not a map [In reply to] Can't Post

Elrond needs to look at the map of Erebor in the moon light, and Bilbo and some dwarves should be around when he does, so I don't think this is it. Perhaps some message for him, Galadriel, and Gandalf, sent along with the evil blade?


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 10 2012, 5:34am

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That is a warg or wolf sitting on his haunches and howling [In reply to] Can't Post

And those are some other wargs/wolves emerging from the trees.

So, no Radagast or any ponies.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 10 2012, 5:36am

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I'm willing to bet that Beorn will be blonde [In reply to] Can't Post

And that when in bear form, there will be a hint of blonde hair on his head and upper back (while otherwise being brown/black).


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 10 2012, 5:38am

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You misunderstood me [In reply to] Can't Post

I mean that there will be some blonde on Beorn the bear. Namely, the hanging hair. That is why I was distinguishing the seemingly light-colored hair on his head, with what looks to be an overall dark brown/black color.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 10 2012, 5:43am

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They will have different clothes post-Laketown [In reply to] Can't Post

Some of the on location vlogs, which show the dwarves after Laketown (seemingly near the Mountain), show Gloin and Ori with very different clothes on (they look like ceremonial garb given by the Laketown residents).

So we will definitely be seeing some different-looking dwarves for film 2.

I'm delighted by that. I love when characters go through major costume changes (such as Pippin, Merry and Aragorn in ROTK).


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 10 2012, 5:46am

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For me [In reply to] Can't Post

It's also tragic when solid characters that look middle-aged, or even old, die untimely deaths.

IMO, there's no need to "amp that up" by making Fili and Kili look like teenagers.


Marillë by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 10 2012, 5:46am

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Probably very little relevance [In reply to] Can't Post

Considering how this is a composite shot, I bet the people responsible for this scroll just slapped that morgul blade in there to include as much information as possible.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 10 2012, 5:47am

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Or maybe it's just a photoshop job, and the elves were not included [In reply to] Can't Post

More likely, I'd say. Smile


Marillë by the Sea
Rivendell


Jul 10 2012, 5:48am

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Those look like three wolves [In reply to] Can't Post

The one you think is Radagast is just a wolf howling.

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