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Entertainment Weekly: "The Scroll" shows 10 hobbit scenes, dwarves, trolls, wargs, Beorn in bear form and more!
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Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jul 9 2012, 10:43pm

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The map hes holding is erebor's..hes wearing the golden costume from the previous map scene..his white council costume is a purple one , as was shown on the 3rd videoblog...i think they mixed the table with him from another scene...

The rivendell background behind gandi and galadriel looks like the fellowship of the ring rivendell hmmmmm...


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 9 2012, 10:44pm

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Beorn is perfect. And HUGE. [In reply to] Can't Post

That is not a normal-sized bear. It is very large (through reasonably so), and if it existed in our world, would likely be considered to be one of the largest bears alive.

I hope he does remain that size, as having a bear that is within the realm of possibility in our world will make, IMO, for more convincing cinema. I always thought the mumakil were far too massive, and would have looked much more interesting if they were closer to real battle elephant size (though a little bigger). As they were, they were somewhat unconvincing.

This Beorn looks great (also notice the locks of longish hair that hang down on the side of his head - to indicate that this is a man-bear?).

Also, given GDT's focus on "silhouettes," is anyone but me seeing this reflected here? From the dwarves to the wargs to Beorn, I really get a sense of GDT's visual influence on the characters... Though I'm sure PJ's influence is just as strong.

This really has gotten me excited.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Jul 9 2012, 10:45pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 9 2012, 10:44pm

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It probably is the Erebor map [In reply to] Can't Post

I was only suggesting it since you spotted it was the Morgul blade. I just presumed they might have a map of Dol Guldur as well? Crazy


pulpfiction16
Rivendell

Jul 9 2012, 10:45pm

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Context.. [In reply to] Can't Post

We *know* these are spoilers, since we know the arc of the general story. To someone who has never read the books, it's just a series of images, highlights of scenes that lacks context; "Oh there'll be barrel scenes" blah blah blah. Nothing different than a trailer that shows a clip from the final fight of a film, the audience has no where or how but in retrospect you could technically argue it's a spoiler.

Besides, it's a 60+ year old book. Spoilers aren't too big of a concern, except for possibly the Dol Guldor (spelling?) storyline, which is a bit more mysterious right now. That's probably where the big surprises of the story will be.


Not_the_beard
The Shire

Jul 9 2012, 10:45pm

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Marketing ploy? [In reply to] Can't Post

The fact that the goblins haven't been featured at all in the marketing thus far might actually be the filmmakers trying to keep their appearance a surprise for those who haven't read the book. Imagine the audience's surprise when goblins pop out of the nice quiet cave when they had no idea Goblins would be in the film.

Unfortunately this might backfire. One thing that I think hurt the first trailer was its locations weren't very diverse. We pretty much just saw Hobbiton, Rivendel, and Dol Guldur. Keeping the goblins a secret will definitely make the film's scale seem a lot smaller in the marketing of the film.


DanielLB
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Jul 9 2012, 10:47pm

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This is where I am a little dubious [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not entirely convinced this is the bear we will actually get to see.

The picture is mixed with photographs, but heavily, heavily photoshopped. Some cases it is obvious (the food on Bilbo's table), other cases not so much (Gandariel behind Elrond).

Is this actually Beorn, the eagles and the wolves - or are they drawings (concept art) and a bit of photoshop?


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Jul 9 2012, 10:49pm

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They will have a map of mirkwood for sure...


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 9 2012, 10:50pm

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Hard to tell [In reply to] Can't Post

But since the characters we know are all accurately represented, I don't see why they would misrepresent the others.

My guess is that the wargs, Beorn in bear form, and the trolls, will pretty much look like that.

If so, I will be thrilled.


DanielLB
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Jul 9 2012, 10:50pm

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On a side note [In reply to] Can't Post

How long before the Gandalf-Galadriel rumours re-appear.

And do we know yet if this is the Morgul blade from FOTR, or another one?


DanielLB
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Jul 9 2012, 10:53pm

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They are accurately represented [In reply to] Can't Post

But not very well (i.e. in the barrels and climbing the hill/mountain - as in, obvious photoshop job).

Even Gandalf next to Beorn looks drawn rather than an actual picture. Same goes for the eagles?


Gold Grizzly
The Shire


Jul 9 2012, 10:56pm

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Bilbo in the tree [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo seems to be alone in his tree. I hope that they don't cut out the bit where Dori helps him into the branches, then leaps after him in the nick of time. That's one of my favourite scenes ...


DanielLB
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Jul 9 2012, 10:57pm

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Is that a new website link on the poster as well? / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 9 2012, 10:58pm

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It's only supposed to be a promotional shot [In reply to] Can't Post

They can't put everything in! I wouldn't worry Smile


Gold Grizzly
The Shire


Jul 9 2012, 11:02pm

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You're probably right [In reply to] Can't Post

But worrying is what I do best ... Wink


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 9 2012, 11:03pm

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Don't think they're sleeping [In reply to] Can't Post

Looks like they are appropriately tied up in sacks, courtesy of their friends Bert, Tom and Bill! Smile


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Bombadil
Half-elven


Jul 9 2012, 11:03pm

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2Things [In reply to] Can't Post

Solves the problem of lighting ...."Riddles in Dark"...
Sting
is the only Light Source!
(HEAD SLAP?)

No goblins yet since they are CGI
they are working thier fannys off during Post
and needed Principle Photograghy to get Done for a rough cut
for reference...

I Don't WANT to see goblins until December.

Bomby


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 9 2012, 11:04pm

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The goblins are CGI? [In reply to] Can't Post

Has this been confirmed?


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 9 2012, 11:06pm

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True [In reply to] Can't Post

But their designs are generally spot on...

Beorn and the wargs could indeed be concept art. But even if that's the case, my guess is that they are FINAL concept art, and it is likely that they will look something like that in the films...

At least, I hope so, as I am very pleased.

Also, best shot of Thorin I have yet seen. That's a dwarven king, if I ever saw one (and honestly, I like his dwarf sword far better than Ocrist, which I find underwhelming...).


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Jul 9 2012, 11:08pm)


DanielLB
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Jul 9 2012, 11:06pm

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I thought they were sleeping too [In reply to] Can't Post

But they are definitely in sacks.

Why are they so relaxed? Unimpressed

Who's Tim?


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DanielLB
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Jul 9 2012, 11:08pm

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Another example [In reply to] Can't Post

Is that floating mug in between Ori and Oin! I presume Fili is holding it Wink


Carne
Tol Eressea

Jul 9 2012, 11:09pm

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No, the goblins are not CG [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ mentioned in an interview that they had 50 goblin performers on set, and it was so hot that they needed cooling inside the suits.

Plus they've been briefly seen in some of the vlogs Smile

And to your reply about the sacks; I agree, I don't think they're sleeping. Look at Dori who seems to have his face turned towards the ground. Don't think that's a very comfortable way of sleeping Tongue


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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 9 2012, 11:10pm

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Tim is Tom's stunt double [In reply to] Can't Post

Obviously. Smile

They do look a little resigned, though...Perhaps dwarves are at their calmest when death is imminent?

This shot, and the dwarf-troll shot from the teaser, tells me that the dwarves will be tied up in bags, Bilbo frees the dwarves while the trolls argue about what to do with them, the dwarves attack the trolls, the trolls seem to be winning, and then Gandalf shows up and heralds the dawn.

I'd put money on that.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Jul 9 2012, 11:12pm)


artemy
Lorien


Jul 9 2012, 11:15pm

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Thank you, OMG this is too exciting! [In reply to] Can't Post

Apart from the vlogs, this is the best bit of promotional material we've had so far! A wonderful little plot summary with lots of half-hidden extras to look for Laugh

The things I've noticed:

- Gandalf has Glamdring outside Bag End. Is this just a picture of him from later on photoshopped in (considering he has his pipe)? Or does it mean Glamdring will not be found in the troll hoard?

- Kili seems quite prevalent in all the pictures of the dwarves. Sneaky little marketing ploy there, putting the hot one centre stage.

- Those trolls blend very well into the rocky landscape. I do wonder that their heads seem more triangular than the stone trolls from FOTR though.

- I love the look of Thorin's dwarven sword! Also I'm sure they're tied up in sacks, since they seem stacked up next to that cauldron, Fili is face down and Kili looks unhappy.

- Beautiful shot of the whole gang in the moonlight. I feel similarly of them crossing that bridge (my first thought was that it was Rivendell, but now I'm not sure).

- Is Gandalf going to meet Galadriel in Rivendell outside of flashbacks then? Or have they just combined two scenes? I'd hazard that's a Morgul knife and a map of Dol Guldur.

- Wolves, at last! I wonder if they will explain that Saruman bred a new type of warg as he bred the uruks, and these are the traditional wolfish ones?

- BEORN! He's so majestic, and I like the hair! Plus, eagles are always a good thing. I don't see a moth though.

- Do I spy a spider hidden in the trees behind Bilbo, or is it a rock? Wish we could get a glimpse of an elf.

- As I'd hoped, Bilbo still rides on the outside. The presence of other barrels seems to imply Bilbo cuts them loose as a distraction or something.

The sudden increase in material flowing in has really got me hyped up for Comic Con, I can't wait for the weekend! Wink

~Beneath the sun, all things must wear to an end at last~

(This post was edited by artemy on Jul 9 2012, 11:18pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 9 2012, 11:16pm

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Looks more like Oin is raising it [In reply to] Can't Post

 


MatthewJer18
Rohan

Jul 9 2012, 11:16pm

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Isn't the Great Goblin going to be a mo-capped effects creature, though? [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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