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Just saw ROTK at the theatres again: Sauron, the palantir and Elbereth?


Jul 8 2012, 3:34pm

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Just saw ROTK at the theatres again: Sauron, the palantir and Elbereth? Can't Post

Return of the King EE was showing as a holiday special thing in Christchurch, so of course I went along with my partner and a friend. I enjoyed every second of it, cried over scenes I've never cried over before and of course, there are always things I notice for the first time.

This time the main new thing I noticed was when Aragorn confronts Sauron with the palantir, along with the usual Black Speech and unintelligible threatening sounds, I heard silivren penna miriel. This phrase(?) features in the hymn to Elbereth in the books and apparently means 'white glittering slanting down sparkling like jewels'

My interpretation is that it could be Aragorn's thoughts, drawing strength from Elbereth to steel himself against Sauron's will. Another thought was that it could be a reference to Arwen Undomiel and the jewel she gave Aragorn, since that is the very next thing you see on screen. These are just baseless interpretations, obviously - it's just another layer of the movie to ponder over and have fun with :)

What do you guys think?

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Jul 9 2012, 3:31am

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Did you happen to hear [In reply to] Can't Post

whose 'voice' said the words? Did it sound like Sauron or Aragorn, or a third (unknown *cough*Eru*cough*) party?

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.

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Jul 9 2012, 4:47am

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It didn't sound like [In reply to] Can't Post

the normal Sauron 'evil' voice, but I couldn't tell whose voice was used, if indeed it was any established character at all! I'd love to hear what the filmmakers have to say about it.. but if I ever got the chance to ask, I'd be there for weeks just asking them more and more questions, hehe :)


Jul 9 2012, 5:31am

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It's something that gets noticed every once in a while by someone [In reply to] Can't Post

I've had a few people email me from my website to ask.

I don't have an explanation nor have I seen one that is definitive.

I have a clip of it. It's just over the file attachment limit so I'll put it at YouSendIt.com

It's only available till July 15.


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Sep 8 2012, 1:39pm

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I doubt [In reply to] Can't Post

that Eru would find it necessary to invoke a mere Vala!

I've always hated that scene, removed from its proper context (the Hornburg after the fall of Saruman) with the introduction of more pointless Arwen-crap- something the real Sauron wouldn't have given a rat's patoot about even had he known, which of course he didn't. What he cared about was the existence of Isildur's Heir, sword and all


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