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SCOD: Gandalf against the wall of the Mazurbul Chamber

Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jul 3 2012, 10:56am

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Hello good people! Welcome to the first Screencap of the day for July!
So we have Gandalf looking darn exhausted, looking at Frodo who's just been apparently impaled by the mighty Cave Troll.
Feel free to answer me these questions three... I mean five, or none at all (ere the other side ye see) Smile.

1. There is a tiny detail that is noticable on Gandalf's left side (his left) that took me by surprise. Can you spot it and had you noticed it before? Speculate!

2. Gandalf's reaction to Frodo's impalement, do you like? Comment.

3. This sequence is done in slow motion in the film if I remember correctly, what do you think of slo-mo parts like this?

4. I'm a Tolkien script enthusiast (tengwar, cirth etc.) and only last year did I realise, on my HD laptop rather than my cruddy box TV that the walls of the Chamber of Mazarbul (Balin's Tomb) were covered in Dwarvish Runes, which got me all fired up! What do you think of this design?

(If you're wondering if there's anything interesting carved, well so far it's just gibberish to me. The middle two lines on this piece of wall for eg.) say NIR T and REGI)

5. Anything else? Smile

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 3 2012, 2:40pm

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1. The dwarf runes? In particular, the G rune? The G rune on his staff?

2. Seemed very appropriate, as all of McKellen's acting is...

3. I really, truly dislike the use of slo-mo in these films. It is often so gratuitous and heavy-handed, that I am forced to, well, fast-forward (thus defeating the purpose of slo-mo to begin with...)!

4. I love this detail. The Chamber looks excellent in the film, and I find the lighting to be especially evocative.

5. Gandalf truly is the shining star of these films. Without him, and McKellen's brilliant performance, I might not be inclined to watch them at all.


Nuradar
Rohan


Jul 3 2012, 2:46pm

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1. There is a tiny detail that is noticable on Gandalf's left side (his left) that took me by surprise. Can you spot it and had you noticed it before? Speculate!
The only things I notice are the black mark on his left middle finger (ouch, looks like that one hurt), and the the clump of hair hanging down his left cheek. The hair looks very funny, like the entire clump is hanging by one hair over his left eye. If that's what you mean, then, no, I hadn't noticed it before. The magic of screencaps - they let you see these details, don't they?




2. Gandalf's reaction to Frodo's impalement, do you like? Comment.
So well done. Despair, disbelief, shock. All in one face. McKellan is genius.


3. This sequence is done in slow motion in the film if I remember correctly, what do you think of slo-mo parts like this?
I think they work very well. PJ used it a lot, but I think each instance was effective, especially when you're focusing on such talented actors and it's accompanied by Howard Shore's incredible music.


4. I'm a Tolkien script enthusiast (tengwar, cirth etc.) and only last year did I realise, on my HD laptop rather than my cruddy box TV that the walls of the Chamber of Mazarbul (Balin's Tomb) were covered in Dwarvish Runes, which got me all fired up! What do you think of this design?
(If you're wondering if there's anything interesting carved, well so far it's just gibberish to me. The middle two lines on this piece of wall for eg.) say NIR T and REGI)

Makes the chamber seem authentic.

5. Anything else? Smile

Not today - thanks for posting!


DanielLB
Immortal


Jul 3 2012, 3:44pm

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I've never spotted that before! [In reply to] Can't Post


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1. The dwarf runes? In particular, the G rune? The G rune on his staff?


And didn't even find it while having a good look earlier Laugh


Elven
Valinor


Jul 3 2012, 5:16pm

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How did it come to this... [In reply to] Can't Post

1. There is a tiny detail that is noticable on Gandalf's left side (his left) that took me by surprise. Can you spot it and had you noticed it before? Speculate!

... Ah, nice catch there with the Rune! A lovely touch!

2. Gandalf's reaction to Frodo's impalement, do you like? Comment.

... His face tells me that this was his fear realized, his decision to not want to go through the mines was seemingly grounded - his concern and love for Frodo - instant disaster - regret - failed wisdom - shock and disbelief. Sir Ian refelected such a slather of emotion here in one look that I think he looks bombarded with the thoughts running through his mind when he saw what had happened to Frodo.

3. This sequence is done in slow motion in the film if I remember correctly, what do you think of slo-mo parts like this?

I dont mind slo-motion, a tool to underline the ramifications of the scene - it worked for me Smile

4. I'm a Tolkien script enthusiast (tengwar, cirth etc.) and only last year did I realise, on my HD laptop rather than my cruddy box TV that the walls of the Chamber of Mazarbul (Balin's Tomb) were covered in Dwarvish Runes, which got me all fired up! What do you think of this design?
(If you're wondering if there's anything interesting carved, well so far it's just gibberish to me. The middle two lines on this piece of wall for eg.) say NIR T and REGI)

Wasn't this the wall of controversy when a Chppy (Carpenter) made the remark to someone that the Runes said 'Frodo was here' and other such things. Didnt David Salo have to be called in to interpret the walls to check there was no such thing written on them Laugh. I think it held up shooting at the time. The Chippy - who was identified later - said he was just joking about it.


5. Anything else?
Just a thankyou to you for a wonderful post!

Cheers
Elven


batik
Tol Eressea


Jul 4 2012, 2:37am

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can we get someone from makeup in here? [In reply to] Can't Post

1. There is a tiny detail that is noticable on Gandalf's left side (his left) that took me by surprise. Can you spot it and had you noticed it before? Speculate!
Er-nope! What do you see? I will have to cheat and read other replies, I suppose.

2. Gandalf's reaction to Frodo's impalement, do you like? Comment.
Yep. Devastated.

3. This sequence is done in slow motion in the film if I remember correctly, what do you think of slo-mo parts like this?
I like slo-mo when I don't focus on it being slo-mo!

4. I'm a Tolkien script enthusiast (tengwar, cirth etc.) and only last year did I realise, on my HD laptop rather than my cruddy box TV that the walls of the Chamber of Mazarbul (Balin's Tomb) were covered in Dwarvish Runes, which got me all fired up! What do you think of this design?
(If you're wondering if there's anything interesting carved, well so far it's just gibberish to me. The middle two lines on this piece of wall for eg.) say NIR T and REGI)
The fine details (like the carvings) are always a plus for me.

5. Anything else? WinkWink Yes. Is Legolas' hair at all mussed in this scene?


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 4 2012, 4:10am

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The problem here [In reply to] Can't Post

Is that the slo-mo is so extreme that it can't help but draw attention to itself as a not-so-subtly manipulative technique.

I just wish PJ trusted his actors more...


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jul 4 2012, 6:40pm

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Aside: 48 fps makes the use of slow motion even easier [In reply to] Can't Post

High resolution slow motion is showing up everywhere these days, most notably in music videos. It's become trendy one might say.


zarabia
Tol Eressea


Jul 5 2012, 1:55am

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Good eye; I don't think I would have noticed that. [In reply to] Can't Post

1. There is a tiny detail that is noticable on Gandalf's left side (his left) that took me by surprise. Can you spot it and had you noticed it before? Speculate!

Now that it's been pointed out, yes, it seems obvious, but otherwise, I'd have been looking right past it taking it for part of the natural texture of the staff. I have often wondered where the wizards get their staff? After Gandalf falls and is left naked, he is said to have been clothed in his white robes by Galadrial (if I remember correctly). Did she also provide him with his new staff? And it also makes me wonder what Radagast's staff will look like???


2. Gandalf's reaction to Frodo's impalement, do you like? Comment.

Ian McKellen can do no wrong. He's brilliant.


3. This sequence is done in slow motion in the film if I remember correctly, what do you think of slo-mo parts like this?

I think slo-mo can be over done, but I think it works here. Some scenes just seem to call for slo-mo, otherwise they can feel a bit too abrupt.

4. I'm a Tolkien script enthusiast (tengwar, cirth etc.) and only last year did I realise, on my HD laptop rather than my cruddy box TV that the walls of the Chamber of Mazarbul (Balin's Tomb) were covered in Dwarvish Runes, which got me all fired up! What do you think of this design?
(If you're wondering if there's anything interesting carved, well so far it's just gibberish to me. The middle two lines on this piece of wall for eg.) say NIR T and REGI)

When I've watched the DVD's on my laptop I've been so amazed at the clarity compared to my also cruddy TV Laugh that I forget to watch what's happening and become completely absorbed in looking at all the details. I don't remember spotting the runes here, though. Gotta love screen caps! Gotta love all the amazing attention to detail.

5. Anything else? Smile

I don't remember where the crystal in the top of the staff came from. Did Gandalf just happen to find an appropriate crystal right at the entrance to the mines, or did he have it in his pocket like one might carry a flashlight (torch)? Not being nit-picky, just wondering.

And oh yes, Thanks Xanaseb!Smile



Longbottom Leaf
Rivendell


Jul 6 2012, 12:49am

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Two good questions.. [In reply to] Can't Post

1.Where do wizards get there staff?
Maybe they make their own like the Jedi. "I see you have constructed a new lightsaber"

2. Where did Gandalf get the crystal for his staff?
I think he must have had it on his person but I don't know.

Can anyone shed any light on these? Particularly question 1

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imin
Valinor


Jul 6 2012, 12:56am

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Questions [In reply to] Can't Post

Question 1. Ollivanders? lol. Maybe he finds a branch and carves it himself, at least for gandalf the grey?

Question 2. He finds the crystal?


Longbottom Leaf
Rivendell


Jul 6 2012, 1:49am

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During battle he once.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Grabbed a tree branch and fashioned it into a make-shift staff. Hence the nickname "Gandalf Oaken Staff". Or maybe you're right...Ollivanders haha. I think he got the crystal from Zod in Superman II

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 6 2012, 4:39am

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That's a good word. Underline. PJ tends to underline everything with a thick black marker, as if to say: Do you get it?!! Do you understand how important this moment is?!!

Personally, I find it insulting.


zarabia
Tol Eressea


Jul 6 2012, 5:58am

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I like the Jedi comparison [In reply to] Can't Post

Each staff seems to reflect the personality of it's wizard. It makes sence that wizards would make their own.


zarabia
Tol Eressea


Jul 6 2012, 6:00am

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Ollivander's side business: Ollivander's Staff Emporium :) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jul 6 2012, 12:25pm

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Nice discussion people! :D and yeah I was thinking of both the rune and the weird mark on Gandy's hand [In reply to] Can't Post

I was thinking of saying 'two tiny details' but then I thought that maybe it was common knowledge that there was a 'G' rune on Gandalf's staff... so I changed it Wink

I was just thinking though, -is- that mark on his finger a burn mark? I thought maybe it was the troll's blood? Hard to tell.

Plus, in every shot where his hand is visible in the next sequence, the mark has disappeared.... obviously down to it being filmed at a different time... but it shows that there -are- tiny incontinuities that are inevitable Tongue

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Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jul 6 2012, 12:27pm

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On the crystal, I thought that that it could have looked better IMO. Still awesome though // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 6 2012, 3:45pm

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Until now [In reply to] Can't Post

I had not noticed the G rune on Gandalf's staff.

Has that ever been discussed before?


MatthewJer18
Rohan

Jul 6 2012, 4:17pm

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I think PJ [In reply to] Can't Post

used the technique at appropriate points (with the orcs, for instance), and his interesting style somehow made it work. I do like how it slowed after Frodo was stabbed, contrasting with the pace of the battle, although I understand why others don't.


Magpie
Immortal


Jul 6 2012, 4:57pm

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not to my knowledge... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and I even have a number of shots of Gandalf the Grey's staves and I've never noticed it.

actually, now that I look at those images, I'm not so sure it's a G rune.

here's the album: https://picasaweb.google.com/...erLookGandalfSStaves

I was only attempting to gather shots that identified the root structure - not the carving.


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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jul 6 2012, 5:53pm

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Hmm... [In reply to] Can't Post

To me it looks like two overlapping G runes...

Nice digging!


DanielLB
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Jul 6 2012, 5:57pm

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Thanks Magpie [In reply to] Can't Post

Well there definitely is a marking there. I agree with Shelob'sAppetite - looks like two G runes overlapping


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jul 6 2012, 10:23pm

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yup overlapping G runes. though of course one of them is mirrored. [In reply to] Can't Post

 If that one were to be read as an ordinary Cirth rune then it''d be 'GH' however. Though I can't se that being the case hehe

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Mauricio
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Jul 9 2012, 10:36pm

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His pipe!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

IŽd never seen it before!!!

It's right there in the middle of the staff while he walks with Saruman!! This is one of the many reasons I love the trilogy, you can come back to it and find new things almost every time.

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