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Analysing Billy Connolly's Dain Ironfoot
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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jun 21 2012, 5:51am

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I think this is about right [In reply to] Can't Post

If Elves had been hit, then the fighting would have begun in earnest. Recall, however, that while Bard was ready for the fight, Thranduil was hesitant. "Long will I tarry, ere I begin this war for gold." And then there is old Gandalf. In a battle that predates guns and most cannons by millenia, a sudden peal of tremendous thunder and a searing lightning bolt sent from ground to sky has a way of getting folks to pause and listen to what you have to say.

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I can't quite agree that Dain's army killing a bunch of elves is canon. It says arrows were shot, yes, but that could have been just gauging the range. Never actually says anyone got hit. A possibility, but not a certainty.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 21 2012, 5:58am

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But the poster suggested [In reply to] Can't Post

That some of the dwarves and elves might "disagree with the sudden union." I was responding to that.

Once the orcs arrive, disagreements are set aside. Period.


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 21 2012, 7:06am

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Everybody might hate orcs [In reply to] Can't Post

But I am sure there are plenty of men/dwarves/elves that would kill other men/elves/dwarves for the fun of it!


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 21 2012, 7:08am

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Yes, on the whole, you are right [In reply to] Can't Post

But disagreements would not *fully* be set aside.

If you were an elf or man who had a real hatred for dwarves, what would you do in a battle? Sure, you'd chop of orc heads, as you hate them too. But I'm sure if a dwarf got in the way you wouldn't think twice!


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 21 2012, 7:15am

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Yes, I am [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf is the voice of reason. If it happens the way it is intended (as in the book Wink) then there should be no significant dwarf/elf/man killing.

I suspect that Gandalf will arrive late at the Battle though (miss the Arkenstone exchange etc...)

He will arrive on an eagle, of course.

Shooting flames from his staff.

And Radagast dropping bunnies from an eagles talons.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jun 21 2012, 7:30am

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Lol. [In reply to] Can't Post

God, I hope they just stick to the damned text on that bit. Lol. I don't think Gandalf will just drop in mid battle though. I think he will be present in Thranduil's tent, just as in the book, as I very much doubt the Dol Guldur assault is going to run that close to the Battle of Five Armies.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 21 2012, 7:36am

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I hope so too [In reply to] Can't Post

But Gandalf does like to arrive just in time. PJ may decide to change events...


DarkJackal
Rohan


Jun 21 2012, 11:06am

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If Gandalf is late... [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe the bunny sled broke down on the way there.

And if he was late, then the fight would have begun for real. Thranduil may have been hesitant because he had the upper hand with the luxury to wait it out, but Dain knew the dwarves were outnumbered with the element of surprise taken from them by Bilbo (thnx much little rat!) So all he has is determination, but it is arguably stronger than the resolve of the elves since he was going to reclaim dwarven homeland. I don't think it changes the basic beliefs of the characters to have them engage in battle a bit before Gandalf puts a stop to it.


BeornBerserker
Lorien

Jun 21 2012, 1:07pm

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Pre battle [In reply to] Can't Post

I suppose he could be talking about something other than the main battle. Perhaps we will see an Elf scouting party engage a forward vanguard of Dain's force with him leading it and all this prior to his army reaching the lonely mountain.


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Jun 21 2012, 1:55pm

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a wizard is never late... [In reply to] Can't Post

He arrives precisely when he means to...Wink


DarkJackal
Rohan


Jun 21 2012, 4:14pm

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My apologies [In reply to] Can't Post

If Gandalf chooses to procrastinate on his way to the Bo5A, so that we may get more battle for our buck, then that is obviously his choice. Smile


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Jun 22 2012, 2:01am

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Actually [In reply to] Can't Post

I would rather have some outlandish mohawk - like the kind attributed to some Picts and Britons, than one of those standard, American or UK teenage boy mohawks like this one.

I also really want to see Thranduil in a very tall, outlandish headdress. Not sure why, but I do!



Eowyn of Penns Woods
Valinor


Jun 22 2012, 3:05am

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But... but... but... [In reply to] Can't Post

It wasn't made for him! *whinegrumblegrumble*

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DarkJackal
Rohan


Jun 22 2012, 11:07pm

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So you're the one... [In reply to] Can't Post

...we should blame/thank for inspiring them on Dain's look. Tongue


TheSexyBeard
Lorien

Jun 23 2012, 10:27pm

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First Post, Hi all [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm really curious about Dain's look. The fact Billy Connoly described him as "terrifying" makes me think mohawk may be more akin to the "original" version rather than the punk hairstyle. I'm curious about his tattoos, I'm guessing then might be like Dwalin's. I find all the comparisons to Warhammer a bit funny (in a possibly ironic way) because the creators of Warhammer's take on Dain is not as out there compared to whats we have heard so far about Jackson and Weta's look:
http://www.games-workshop.com/...;prodId=prod1500384a

Dain's the ginger one, Balin's there as well.


DanielLB
Immortal


Jun 23 2012, 10:52pm

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Welcome to TORN! [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes you are right, and suggested something similar (regarding the actual mohawk) awhile back. I had never realised how many varieties of mohawk there were, until I googled it. You can have anything from punk to David Beckham. As soon as I read Connoly having a mohawk, I automatically thought of the punk version. The punk version is at the extreme end of the mohawk scale, a different style may actually work ... and look good.

I do hope we get *some* "traditional" looking dwarves though. I want beards tucked into belts!


TheSexyBeard
Lorien

Jun 23 2012, 11:17pm

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Thanks for the welcome! [In reply to] Can't Post


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I do hope we get *some* "traditional" looking dwarves though. I want beards tucked into belts!


I hope Dain's army fits the description in the book or at least feature elements clearly inspired by the text. It would be cool if Dain himself got a full blown, massive beard compared to some of the short beards some of Thorin's company seem to be sporting (I understand and appreciate the need to make each charcter their own, and varying beard length helps achieve this). Dain having a longer beard would also make him stand out compared to Thorin's company. Not that his description so far isn't going to make him stand out!

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