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TheCoon
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May 7 2012, 2:17am
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ok mayb combined was a bit much
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but it will be the highest grossing film of 2012 why wouldnt it be?
both will make 1 billion a piece gauranteed
name one non nolan fanboy NOT hyped up for this film
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Estel78
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May 7 2012, 2:38am
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Because Avengers might even come close to the last Harry Potter's worldwide take?
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but it will be the highest grossing film of 2012 why wouldnt it be?
Avengers is killing it in the USA and also doing great internationally. It'll not be as easy as you make it out to be to top that. If all goes reasonably well, it very well might beat Avengers but it's probably not gonna be a landslide win.
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TheCoon
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May 7 2012, 3:06am
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you people act as if lotrs fanbase has diminished
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why would these films not do as good as the trilogy
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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May 7 2012, 3:06am
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I seriously doubt that it will be close to either Avengers or Dark Knight Rises
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Nor do I really care. I hope they do reasonably well in the box office, but what I really care about is that they are good films that do justice to the source material.
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Estel78
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May 7 2012, 3:48am
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Avengers is likely gonna outgross all LOTR movies.
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Of course inflation and 3D ticket prices boost its gross, still, it's doing gangbusters. Hobbit will have to sell approximately close to 80% the number of tickets ROTK did to top that (according to my calculations). Surely possible, but not guaranteed.
I believe Hobbit will lose some of the LOTR audience or repeat viewers. For one, people (many of them at least) really adored LOTR and as good as Hobbit may be and as much faith as i have in PJ, to capture that magic twice is very, very difficult. Furthermore, its story is not as epic and emotional (maybe the 2nd movie can come close). Also, its main cast consist of some odd dwarves, an old wizzard and a hobbit, not a bunch of hunky men. That may sound superficial but it has an effect.
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AinurOlorin
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May 7 2012, 4:37am
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I would be more cautious in that bet
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You may be right, but on top of the now having a far larger fan base than the original trilogy did at the time of its release, added to the fact that both families and the usual suspects will want to see the Hobbit, there is an added thing no other modern film in the adventure/epic genre has, comic adventures and superhero epics included, and that is Academy Award best picture status conferred on earlier works in the same series by the same team. The Hobbit is not just the "prequel" if you will to an international block buster, it comes as part of an Academy Award winning franchise.
As a result of those things, the media is likely going to make a bigger deal out of it than they make out of The Dark Knight. It will almost certainly have much more media fanfare than The Avengers. It really has A LOT going for it, and WB is going to push it HARD.
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MrCere
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May 7 2012, 6:38am
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I believe each Hobbit film is worth $1 billion worldwide. In fact, I don't feel the least bit worried about that mark with 3D prices factored in.
And, each of us will see the film six times! 2D 48fps, 2D 24fps, 3D 48fps, 3D 24fps and each in Imax. (Mostly kidding)
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geordie
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May 7 2012, 7:20am
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what a non nolan fanboy is - but I'm not hyped up by these movies. As for box-office predictions, I don't have any As C.S. Lewis said in his review of LotR, 'Prediction is dangerous'.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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May 7 2012, 9:51am
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Well not if you adjust for inflation, probably.
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Certainly not on the US domestic figures.
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TheCoon
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May 7 2012, 10:04am
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the next trailer will be with TDKR
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its WBs last major film b4 this
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Estel78
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May 7 2012, 2:16pm
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Avengers might come close to Titanic in North America.
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That's over $600m just from North America.
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Hanzkaz
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May 7 2012, 2:31pm
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This film will out-do The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises combined
- that the movie plot may be less faithful to the novel than the LOTR films were and not just because of the addition of the Dol Guldur storyline. That may put off certain types of viewers (Then again, there seem to be detractors of PJ who seem to have watched the LOTR at the cinema far more often than I have).
On the other hand, if PJ is making the kind of changes that I suspect he's making, there may be an increase in mainstream audiences, especially for the second movie..
Much as I look forward to the Hobbit, there's no guarantee that it will outdo all the movies that come out this year (Avengers seem to be doing very well, and we've still got a few other big movies yet to come.)
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DanielLB
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May 7 2012, 2:36pm
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Including the Dol Guldur plot, then yes, the films digress from the book.
But excluding that storyline, I think the films are going to remain very faithful to the book. The Hobbit book is very simple (compared to LOTR) - there is simple progression from one chapter to another, there are no sub-plots, or confusing storylines, there aren't massive explanations required etc. It is a childrens book.
They are making 2 films out of 1 simple book. There is no reason why they can't include everything from the book, with the addition of Dol Guldur/White Council/Radagast and Frodo and Bilbo.
Of course there are going to be some changes (like any book-to-film adaptation), but I fully expect every basic plot, character and event from the book to make it into the film.
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May 7 2012, 3:18pm
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At the end of The Avengers' US opening weekend
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but it will be the highest grossing film of 2012 why wouldnt it be?
both will make 1 billion a piece gauranteed
name one non nolan fanboy NOT hyped up for this film
The Avengers already looks to be at about $700,000,000 world-wide. That's going to be hard for either Nolan or Jackson to top. And remember that a lot of film-fans are feeling ambivalent about The Hobbit's 48-fps 3D right now.
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Hanzkaz
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May 7 2012, 3:22pm
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I think the films are going to remain very faithful to the book.
The whole business with the tombs is a bit further than I'd expected PJ to go. I'm not complaining, but I was expecting a somewhat more subtle approach to the Necromancer plot.
Also, going by the changes (and the intended ones that were dropped) that PJ made to battles in the LOTR movies, I'm expecting more of same, especially in the second film. I'm getting the feeling that ideas that didn't make it into the LOTR films may turn up in some form during the Hobbit movies. The Ringwraith tombs remind me of the Barrow Downs and Tauriel reminds of the plan for Arwen's presence at Helm's Deep. I wouldn't be surprised if Thorin and Co. have a pitched battle against Night Wargs somewhere along the way. .
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DanielLB
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May 7 2012, 3:44pm
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I'm expecting many, many additions
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Since they are stretching 1 book over 2 films. It will be the additions that are different from the book, while I fully expect everything from the book to stay in!
The Wargs and Orcs surround them while in the fir trees - I wouldn't imagine they would film 2 attacks.
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Hanzkaz
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May 7 2012, 4:54pm
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Perhaps an addition to the Warg confrontation? spoiler
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The Wargs and Orcs surround them while in the fir trees - I wouldn't imagine they would film 2 attacks.
Some time after escaping from the Goblins, they could have an initial FOTR-style confrontation with a relatively small group of Wargs (if only just to show off the fighting prowess of the Dwarves - otherwise they seem to be mostly good at getting caught by their enemies) , and later run into a much larger group near the pine trees.
I would expect the whole business to take place over a number of days.
From reports, the Dwarves seem to have put up more of a fight against the three trolls than was depicted in the book. It could be the same with the Wargs.
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Hanzkaz
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May 7 2012, 5:01pm
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They also fight their way out of Goblintown
Could have wargs there?
But personally, I'd like to see the Thorin and his gang run into (and deal with) the Goblins and Wargs separately at first (the former in the caves and the latter near some snowy mountain - I have this vision of the Dwarves bursting out of the snow and ambushing some very surprised Wargs - and then a distant howl warns them of more on the way) , and only meet both groups of foes at the pine trees.
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Sam20
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May 7 2012, 5:47pm
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It is clear to me that The Hobbit will be the movie of the year. I've not seen the movies you're refering to (The Avenger and The Dark Knight Rise which is not yet release) and cannot comment on them but I have a feeling and I expect The Hobbit will do better that these two taken individually.
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Estel78
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May 7 2012, 6:02pm
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Avengers might do around $1.4 billion worldwide.
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Hobbit has its work cut out to beat that. Personally, i'm predicting $1.6 billion for the Hobbit. I also realize, it's a pretty optimistic figure.
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May 7 2012, 9:28pm
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not in it's theatrical release it won't
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I can't see ANY film doing 1 billion dollars at the box office no matter what it is... While I think the Hobbit might be great films you have to look at things realistically I wold say end of theater viewings it will probably hit the 500 million mark for each film. but no wheres near 1 Billion each.
as to why wouldn't it be? well there are a hundred factors like people aren't as receptive to the 48fps like the studio wants them to be, people might go expecting LOTR and when they don't get something close enough word of mouth, who knows? Its like, if you ask Batman fans about the DKR they would say that it is gonna be the highest grossing film of the year... Its all perspective. but I wouldn't count my chickens before they hatch. I say the Hobbit will hit about 500 million in theaters which still isn't that bad if you ask me
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Sinister71
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May 7 2012, 9:31pm
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the wolves too... I always thought it was cool you had Wargs AND wolves together kind of like some twisted Hierarchy in that social network
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