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Elrond in the movies

aruman
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Apr 4 2012, 5:12pm


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Hello folks,

I am sorry, I am sure this has been discussed to death over the past several years, but I'm just re-reading the books again, and I am reminded of one of the complaints I had about the movies (which overall I do like a lot).

I've heard many people complain about Elrond coming across as a jerk in the films, which people feel was not represented in the books, and I agree 100%.

The most common argument I have heard defending PJ's Elrond is "Well, you'd be bitter too!"

To this I have a few points I'd like to bring up:

1.) Whether I would be bitter or not, Elrond is one of the most powerful characters for good in the book. I think it's reasonable to hold him to higher standard and expect him to be above labeling men as "weak" because of the actions of one man (now that man was one of the mightiest men in the books, so this point isn't all that strong, but I'm saving my best points for last).

2.) Whether we would be bitter in Elrond's shoes or not, Tolkien's Elrond wasn't bitter, or at least, it didn't come across in the same way as PJ's Elrond. The book Elrond seems much more compassionate and friendly.

3.) Elrond claims men are weak. His stance on the strength of men seems to be based in large part (if not solely) on Isildur keeping the ring rather than destroying it. The way I see it, his statements and feelings towards men imply that he believes that if an elf (say Gil-Galad or himself) had recovered the ring, they would have ran up the mountain and cast it into the fire without hesitation.

Sure Isildur failed to destry the ring, but he was the only one who COULD have failed to destroy the ring. It's not like there were 2 evil rings, and Elrond destroyed one and Isildur refused to destroy the other.

Could anyone have wilfully thrown the ring into the fire? I guess that's debatable, but I think we can all agree that it would be extremely difficult to do so. In fact, that is one of the main points of the book, I feel.

The only character in whose ability to throw the ring into the fire I would be confident would be Bombadil.

Isildur only did what Frodo tried to do (claim the ring).

So the way I see it, Elrond is bitter towards men b/c of one man, who did what pretty much any other creature (man, dwarf, elf, wizard, hobbit) would have done.

I don't think it's fair to say, "I would have destroyed it!" It's a tough situation, and if Elrond hadn't been put to that temptation I don't feel he is justified in saying that men are weak. In the book, many powerful characters (including Gandalf, Galadriel, and I think Elrond) refused the ring for that reason. (I don't think Elrond was ever offered it, but I seem to recall him saying he wouldn't touch it).

4.) Elrond states that "It is because of men that the ring survived," or something to that effect. We could just as easily say, "It is because of men that we have the ring, and Sauron does not."

Anyway, thanks for reading! Sorry for complaining, but I really liked Elrond much more in the book than the movies!

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Elrond in the movies aruman Send a private message to aruman Apr 4 2012, 5:12pm
    Consider the changes as being about Aragorn Harold.of.Whoa Send a private message to Harold.of.Whoa Apr 4 2012, 6:01pm
        Good points aruman Send a private message to aruman Apr 5 2012, 2:38am
    Elrond Fertlthewhite Send a private message to Fertlthewhite Apr 5 2012, 7:36am
        This raises a couple of issues DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 5 2012, 7:44am
            too kindly to end all evil once and for all? Fertlthewhite Send a private message to Fertlthewhite Apr 5 2012, 7:51am
                Elrond would have commited murder DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 5 2012, 8:08am
                    martyr for the good Fertlthewhite Send a private message to Fertlthewhite Apr 5 2012, 8:16am
                Destroying the Ring Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Apr 6 2012, 2:37pm
            Thoughts aruman Send a private message to aruman Apr 6 2012, 4:12am
                Agree with your points DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2012, 8:33am
                    The ring was weregild imin Send a private message to imin Apr 6 2012, 9:00am
                        They were never ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 6 2012, 9:55am
                            yeah exactly imin Send a private message to imin Apr 6 2012, 10:01am
                                Weregild DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2012, 10:07am
                                    It is written here imin Send a private message to imin Apr 6 2012, 10:12am
                                        Well I must of read it before then DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2012, 10:18am
                                        Isildur ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 6 2012, 10:19am
                                            I have always thought imin Send a private message to imin Apr 6 2012, 9:54pm
                                                Letter 131 DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2012, 9:59pm
                                                    yeah exactly imin Send a private message to imin Apr 6 2012, 10:30pm
                                                        Yeah, its a tricky one DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2012, 10:33pm
                                                            There was a similar discussion on imdb recently Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Apr 6 2012, 10:43pm
                                I correct ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 6 2012, 10:13am
    Movie Elrond ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 5 2012, 8:31am
        Agreed aruman Send a private message to aruman Apr 6 2012, 3:56am
            We know that DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2012, 8:29am
                Yes, Bombadil could have cast the Ring into the fire... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Apr 6 2012, 8:41pm
                    Mis-understood my post DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2012, 8:46pm
                        "I do not think that word means what you think it means." Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Apr 6 2012, 8:52pm
                            Eh? / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2012, 8:55pm
                                You understand perfectly well what I wrote. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Apr 6 2012, 9:03pm
                                    But I'm not arguing and DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2012, 9:05pm
                                        It's a matter of semantics... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Apr 6 2012, 9:08pm
                                            Ok Otaku-sempai DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Apr 6 2012, 9:13pm
    UM Aren't Elves Weaker Then Men TheGoblinKing Send a private message to TheGoblinKing Apr 10 2012, 9:46pm
        TheGoblinKing ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 10 2012, 10:14pm
            Still Yet TheGoblinKing Send a private message to TheGoblinKing Apr 11 2012, 12:43am
                Bilbo could use ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Apr 11 2012, 1:18am
                    AND... aruman Send a private message to aruman Apr 11 2012, 2:48am

 
 
 

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