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Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Mar 18 2012, 7:46am

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I suppose you're right... [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't remember, but I do think that is the part MooseBoy is looking for.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


imin
Valinor

Mar 18 2012, 9:28am

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Aragorn would not of beaten the witch king [In reply to] Can't Post

no man could beat him, aragorn is a man, eowyn is not she is a women. hence how she fulfills the prophecy. I think with merry its more to do with his sword than him being a hobbit as he doesnt actually kill him just wounds him.


DanielLB
Immortal


Mar 18 2012, 9:48am

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Will check it out. Thanks imin / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Mar 18 2012, 9:50am

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A combination [In reply to] Can't Post

As my reply further up, I don't think it is actually down to the fact that Eowyn is female. It is a combination of Merry stabbing him with a Noldor blade, in combination with Eowyn being there at the right time.

Unfortunately, as being discussed, the film messes it up a bit and makes it more complicated to explain. In terms of the film, I suppose it is Eowyn's gender that kills him Wink


TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Mar 18 2012, 1:02pm

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I Think Nasil [In reply to] Can't Post

I think Nasil would be the difference for Aragorn against The Witch King. Also do remember it was The Nazgul saying no man can kill blah blah crap. I think movie wise he was boasting and was over confident. I say he would have Cut and ran if Aragorn showed up. Like he did at weather top.


DanielLB
Immortal


Mar 18 2012, 1:12pm

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Narsil [In reply to] Can't Post

I've already said why the Ringwraiths fled on Weathertop, and as others have pointed out, Sauron increased the Witchkings power for the battle

Would he have fled - I doubt it, knowing the above.


TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Mar 18 2012, 1:16pm

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Also Consider [In reply to] Can't Post

Aragorn was not the same as At Weather Top either. I think he was stronger as well as the Witch King. I am just saying I would have liked to had seen the two Kings do battle as a fan of Aragorn. Yes its a good deal for all the women of Rohan and Gondor Eowyn wins but i am saying I think anyone could have after Mery Stabbed him in the arse


DanielLB
Immortal


Mar 18 2012, 1:18pm

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Yes, theoretically, anyone could have killed the Witch-King after Merry used his Noldor blade. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


(This post was edited by DanielLB on Mar 18 2012, 1:18pm)


DanielLB
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Mar 18 2012, 1:20pm

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Only just seen this [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for the clarification Patty.

It was a toss up between Cirdan and Glorfindel. I was too lazy to check Blush


imin
Valinor

Mar 18 2012, 1:21pm

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Aragorn [In reply to] Can't Post

Aragorn was stronger at weathertop. Stronger than who gandalf the white? Also i thought merry stabbed the back of his leg or am i getting confused with the scene from the book again? either way your comment made me laugh :)


DanielLB
Immortal


Mar 18 2012, 1:22pm

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Twas behind his knee / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


imin
Valinor

Mar 18 2012, 1:27pm

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noldor blade or dunedain? [In reply to] Can't Post

Is it a noldor blade in the movie as i thought it was a dunedain blade in the book?


imin
Valinor

Mar 18 2012, 1:27pm

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back of leg behind his knee, same thing, haha// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Mar 18 2012, 1:28pm

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Noldor Blade [In reply to] Can't Post

After watching all 3 movies i am not sure Merry has anything but a Rohan deal. I know Eowyn gives him Armor but he has some kind of Sword I just don't know where he got it.


DanielLB
Immortal


Mar 18 2012, 1:42pm

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I thought you said arm ;-) / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Mar 18 2012, 1:43pm

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Sorry, I meant Numenor, as my previous posts. And this is referring the books. The films mess it up a bit / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


TheGoblinKing
Rohan

Mar 18 2012, 1:58pm

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Well I Still Think He Stabbed Him With The Elf Dagger [In reply to] Can't Post

Thing is we never see Merry or Pippin lose there Daggers just the pelts


JohnsS29
The Shire


Mar 19 2012, 6:11am

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This is a great difference Between Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White. [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf the White is much more powerful as he tells Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli after he meets them in Fangorn Forest in the Book:


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'Dangerous!' cried Gandalf. 'And so I am, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord. - The Lord of the Rings, Book Three, Chapter 5: The White Rider, pp. 499.


So the Gandalf the White in the book believes he is the second most dangerous person in all of Middle-Earth only Sauron being more dangerous. So the fact that Sauron had empowered the Nazgul King with more power did not cause him to quake at all and he was more than ready to face down the Nazgul King in the book.

Also, it's worth noting that Gandalf is not an "old man". He is not even human. He is a maia an angelic being. So the prophecy mentioned in other posts about the Nazgul King's fall not being at the hand of a man could apply just at much to him as it did to Eowyn.

JOHNS29


DanielLB
Immortal


Mar 19 2012, 8:45am

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Definitely not his elf dagger [In reply to] Can't Post

In the film I presume it's his Rohan sword - too big to be the dagger from Galadriel


Magpie
Immortal


Mar 19 2012, 2:18pm

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wow [In reply to] Can't Post

I just never thought enough about what weapon it was. I mean, I KNEW it wasn't the blade from the barrows. That wasn't in the movie and I always considered the blades that Aragorn gives the Hobbits as the substitute for the barrow blades.

And, although I kind of *knew* Galadriel gave blades to Merry and Pippin and that both Merry and Pippin were given armor of Rohan and Gondor (respectively), somehow in my head I never let those later blades supplant the ones Aragorn gave. So I always thought Merry was using the one Aragorn gave him.

I just went to look (out of extreme controversy). I wouldn't have considered the blade he uses on the WitchKing too long because it flashes very quickly and it doesn't look long to me. But the hilt definitely looks like the hilt of the Rohan sword he's swinging around on Dunharrow and it makes total sense that is the blade he'd have on him.

What blade it is doesn't matter to any casual fan of the movies. But as a fan of the book, I will admit I regret that little point couldn't have been worked in. I get how it would complicate things too much and I guess it works like a sort of 'easter egg'. If you like the movie, you'll find all sorts of little delights in the book. :-)


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DanielLB
Immortal


Mar 19 2012, 3:08pm

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Me neither! [In reply to] Can't Post

Never really thought about it in this much depth until today. Wonder if there are any screencaps floating around so we can compare?


DanielLB
Immortal


Mar 19 2012, 3:23pm

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Hold on [In reply to] Can't Post

Could Merry's "Rohan" sword not be the sword given to him by Strider on Weathertop? There is nothing to say its "Rohan" at all!


DanielLB
Immortal


Mar 19 2012, 3:25pm

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Apart from the horse on it! [In reply to] Can't Post

http://scrapbook.theonering.net/...ts/edoras/view/11533

I thought I was onto something then Frown


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Mar 19 2012, 5:08pm

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I can imagine an 'untold tale' about those blades from Aragorn [In reply to] Can't Post


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I just never thought enough about what weapon it was. I mean, I KNEW it wasn't the blade from the barrows. That wasn't in the movie and I always considered the blades that Aragorn gives the Hobbits as the substitute for the barrow blades.



I can just see a little side-story where Strider encounters the Barrow-wight from the book, vanquishes it (alone or with Tom Bombadil's help) and scavenges the blades from the barrow on a hunch (or a suggestion from Tom?) that they may prove useful.

"Darkness beyond blackest pitch, deeper than the deepest night!
King of Darkness, who shines like gold upon the Sea of Chaos.
I call upon thee and swear myself to thee!
Let the fools who stand before me be destroyed by the power you and I possess!"


Magpie
Immortal


Mar 19 2012, 5:46pm

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works for me! :-) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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