>>>Oh Doug, glad you're back. And glad to hear the great updates as well. And also glad to hear you'll be deeply involved with the rarities stuff. Not as glad to hear it won't be a boxed set, but glad to assume this means it'll be released along with your book.>>>
The thing is, we don’t think a plain old boxed set would do the release justice, simply because this material is going to need explanation and contextualization. You’ll see what we have in mind. However, don’t let the lack of a “box” suggest a lack of quantity or shift in the elegance of the presentation. This will be right on par with the rest of the series, only physically different. But then, it’s a different type of material, yes? This is more archival and less story-driven.
>>>Thanks for a great update as usual and YES, I at least hope you'll be up for an ROTK podcast since it'll be some time before I get the CR itself (and I'm counting on the podcast music to tide me over 'til the CR's mine).>>>
Seems like most thumbs are up on the Podcast. A couple people have emailed great ideas. Keep ‘em coming! The suggestions certainly help.
>>>Greatly looking forward to it, Doug. And your usage of little-known English words. Out of curiosity: FotR's AS was 29 pages long (1,1 MB), the one for T2T 41 (6 MB). Apart from the instruments' section and the choral lyrics (which don't differ that much in length), was there so much more to write about T2T? Will you be aiming at a similar length (proportionate to the score's length, of course) for RotK?>>>
Good question. TTT was much longer because the score (as driven by the story) became much more complicated and involved. In Fellowship, there was generally one (maybe two) storylines occurring at any given moment. Two Towers scattered the characters all around Middle-earth. So not only did we need to spell out all the new material, we needed to delineate all these overlapping ideas. The crosscutting storylines meant that the leitmotifs got much more of a developmental workout.
ROTK, as of this current draft, is 51 pages. Now, that usually drops when WB streamlines the layout… meaning they incorporate their fonts, their margins… they never fiddle with the text.
There is a LOT of music to discuss, believe you me!
>>>You should know by now that we *never* run out of questions. Can we all send in video-taped questions? Or make a huge conference call?>>>
You know, that’s not a terrible idea. I may actually be able to set up a voicemail specifically for Podcast questions. Would that be something that would interest you guys?—Being able to call in and prerecord questions?
>>>All Best, Doug, and scratch up another pint for you (gee, that bill will be horrible!).>>>
I hope there’s going to be a designated driver!
>>>Q:Will there be,at the end(the end meaning just a few months away, right? ), more than 11 hours of music on discs?>>>
Are you including the rarities? If so, then there will be more than 11 hours.
>>>Anyone know if the complete recordings will include the singing from Merry and Pippen at the feast in the original movie and the orcs chanting Grond as they are marching toward Minis Tirith.>>>
Merry and Pippin: yes. Orcs: Oh dear, no!
>>>And Doug, by now you should know that we wouldn't even be against five podcasts
And I'm pretty sure Doug implied that the suggested release date for book/rarities was fall 2008.
"Maybe Santa can help you with all the above ..."
You sneaky little hobbit!>>>
Good eyes. That particular post was loaded with hints, btw. I put the “green” thing up front so that I’d lead with an obvious one and throw people off the scent a little.
But there’s more there than meets the eye…
>>>It's clear that Doug, et al have finalized the choice to have all of the rarities on one CD. I agree that hearing variations on the same piece with minor instrumental differences would be repetitive to the point of boring. I'm also beyond grateful for the existence of the rarities, period.>>>
Actually, if the current plan is followed, the rarities / unused material will not be on one CD.
>>>I have a question, though, for Doug: Sifting out all of the variations in which the triangle plays once or three times, can all of the 'great' (or unique) rarities truly fit on one CD (less than 80 minutes)? I would think it would be longer. I can live with 'only' having one CD of 'deleted scenes', but it sure would have been nice to have a CR of the rarities, where 'complete' was defined as unique cut pieces, for example the Lothlorien piece that was a bonus track on the Two Towers CD several years back. That sounds so completely different from Shore's LOTR music.>>>
The intention is to include any piece that warrants interest. The rarities will be as complete as interest will bear. The triangle example is just being used to explain the type of thing that wont be used—i.e., *nearly* identical takes where the musical concept is essentially the same, though there are tiny variations in the details. But the archives are absolutely stuffed with alternate passages, entirely different concepts, unused songs, synth mock-ups, theme tests, all sorts of stuff!
>>>Also, Doug, are there any developments you might accidentally drop hints about re: the distant possibility of the written score being published? I 'might' recall a hint being dropped about a year ago that was 'not negative' on this issue. Ahem.>>>
There has been motion on this project and Howard is now working with a publisher to bring more of his (written) music to the public. This is a separate endeavor however; complete LOTR conductors scores are not to be a part of the book. The thing would be thousands and thousands of pages long!
>>>Diddo the possibility of the score being played live to the film. I know Shore was considering this a year ago (as discussed on this board). Are there any small or large developments toward this happening at some point?>>>
Large developments. Stay tuned!
>>>I tend to think that this ever so vaguely described "rarities disc" will neither be just one CD, nor a full CR. Instead, I think it will be something completely different, corresponding with Doug's book.
In fact, I'm almost convinced that the also ever so vaguely described "multimedia content" of the book and the rarities disc will be the same thing.
There may also exist the possibility that the multimedia thingy has the written orchestral scores in digital form, since Doug suggested, I think it was in the first thread, that releasing the written scores was not out of question.
As for the differentiation between a true alternate and a simple tweak in the music, I say this: if, to pick up Doug's example, the Cirith Ungol piece has an English Horn statement of the Ring theme over aleatoric strings, and the alternate (I suppose he means the current film version) is the same piece only without the Horn, then I think that does not qualify as a true alternate, but merely as a tweak in orchestration.
For me, a true alternate does really have to display a radical change in thematic identity, orchestration, or mood.
Oh, and Doug, am I right about the suggested release date being fall 2008?>>>
You, sir, are right about many things.
I will say this much… these LOTR projects have each proven themselves to be year-long endeavors. Remember way back when the idea of releasing all the CRs in the same year was floated around? Boy that dried up fast! It’s simply not possible. I think I’ve learned why so many releases get pushed into the market without much love or attention from their makers. Love and attention take a lot of time! I can’t tell you how lucky we’ve been to have Howard heading this up. The concept has never been, “Let’s get this thing done and on shelves and out of our hair!” It’s always, “Let’s do this right. Let’s let the quality dictate the timeframe.” That’s rare. Very rare. Doing something this way involves a huge number of people and a ton of resources. There are literally people all over the US working on this project right now. And often in the UK. And often in NZ.
So when I say it’s big—it’s a lot of work… believe me, I mean that on a global scale! I hope when all is said and done, people feel like it’s been worth it.
>>>He mentioned that basically all the music from the CR you also hear in the extended cut of the film. Is that right?
I thought there were a couple of outtakes, like the music for Gollum's transformation, the unused piece for Frodo in Mt. Doom and the destruction of Mordor?>>>
The compositions cut from the film will be in the CR, no worries.
Ok, that’s today’s post. See above and let me know what you thing of the Podcast w/ voicemail. I know it would be an overseas call for some of you, but hopefully a 1 minute call wouldn’t get too steep. And I suppose you could email an MP3 of yourself if need be.
Back to work!