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Bladerunner
Gondor


Feb 21 2012, 11:21pm

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Beorn's Design... Can't Post

I've been wondering for a while how "human" Beorn will look when not in bear form. My speculation is primarily based on the closeup of that picture posted on the wall in the background of one of the production videos, and secondarily on the notion that since Beorn is an enigma, the designers (including del Toro) could have been tempted to get very creative in interpreting his human appearance.

I wonder if Beorn's reveal will be the most controversial of all of the characters (including any of the dwarves), and if some people will freak out when they see him.

Should we brace ourselves for what is coming? or do you expect his human guise will just be that of a big burly man? What would you consider going too far?


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Feb 21 2012, 11:27pm

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I think he'll be a giant... [In reply to] Can't Post

An interview with Persbrandt revealed Beorn's height (I can't remember how tall he was, but it was pretty big), I'm expecting a nearly inhuman giant of a man. But still aesthetically human.

...and hairy Tongue

"...For if joyful is the fountain that rises in the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomed at the foundations of the Earth"


duats
Grey Havens

Feb 21 2012, 11:35pm

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I hope not [In reply to] Can't Post

I just want a nine-foot-tall man with a thick black beard and a wool tunic. Simple but striking iconography.


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Finrod
Rohan


Feb 22 2012, 12:09am

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Oh really? [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
I just want a nine-foot-tall man with a thick black beard and a wool tunic.

And how long have you felt that way, pray tell? ;-}

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




Bladerunner
Gondor


Feb 22 2012, 12:16am

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Ha!, Que chistoso! :-) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


duats
Grey Havens

Feb 22 2012, 12:20am

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I see what you did there [In reply to] Can't Post

Laugh


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daemoon
Rivendell


Feb 22 2012, 12:28am

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Blondie [In reply to] Can't Post

Anyone else worried with the possibility that we will get a blonde Beorn? :(


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Feb 22 2012, 12:55am

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He should be a very large man [In reply to] Can't Post

Nothing more, nothing less.

If they try to add any alien-isms to him, it will be very disappointing.


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Feb 22 2012, 12:55am

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I'm not worried. no ;) [In reply to] Can't Post

But since he is Swedish and is supposed to be Nordic, then I would say blond (or light brown) is the way to go :)
Dark haired men are few up here in the cold north ;)
No dark haired vikings have ever walked upon this earth :)

Vocalist in the semi-progressive metal band Arctic Eclipse


Carne
Tol Eressea

Feb 22 2012, 12:58am

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3 meters tall, according to this interviewer: [In reply to] Can't Post

Interview run through Google Translate:
http://translate.google.com/...10090034&act=url


Bladerunner
Gondor


Feb 22 2012, 1:14am

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Wow, It'd be interesting to see how Peter Jackson choreographs the multiple tall and short stand-ins and stunt doubles.... [In reply to] Can't Post

and what other optical illusions he will employ for the scenes that include the wizard, the dwarves, the hobbit and Beorn.

If McKellen has Tall Paul as his stand-in, then who will Persbrandt have? - Giant Bryant? ;0).


duats
Grey Havens

Feb 22 2012, 1:18am

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Ever since seeing that concept art on the wall [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, I've been living with that concern Unsure.

Who knows? That might not have been Beorn at all. And if it was, perhaps it was an early concept. But if Beorn ends up being anything other than black-haired/black-furred, I will be extremely disappointed. There's just no reason to change that detail.


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Carne
Tol Eressea

Feb 22 2012, 1:23am

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If they do share shots together with no CG trickery [In reply to] Can't Post

I imagine they'll use the short doubles for the dwarves, a double just under the average human height for Gandalf (5'7-5'9?) and a really tall person as Beorn (like 7ft tall, so maybe Tall Paul with some tall shoes ?).Tongue


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Bladerunner
Gondor


Feb 22 2012, 1:46am

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I've been somewhat apprehensive about it too... [In reply to] Can't Post

I could picture del Toro with sketch pad in hand, pondering the meaning of this mysterious, shape-shifting isolationist, while conjuring up various creatures from his nightmarish and vivid imagination in an attempt to visually personify (or further mystify) this creation.

I suspect the character of Beorn may have proven too tantalizing of an opportunity for the wilder impulses of del Toro's imagination to pass up....

(BTW - this is not intended to be a negative criticism of del Toro; nor am i suggesting that del Toro's concept/vision of the character is what will ultimately be used; however, I do believe that his influence will have carried over into the final version of Beorn's design).


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Longbottom Leaf
Lorien


Feb 22 2012, 2:07am

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I'm more concerned about... [In reply to] Can't Post

how Gandalf will introduce all the dwarves to Beorn. I find it hard to envision the movie spending that time to show Gandalf tell Beorn the story that we just witnessed on screen. It's great on the page but I suspect something different will happen in the movie and it"s a shame. "Mr. Baggins saw then how clever Gandalf had been. The interruptions had really made Beorn more interested in the story,and the story had kept him from sending the dwarves off at once like suspicious beggars. How will this be handled? I have a feeling that Radagast might be the link to Beorn taking in the dwarves and Gandalf rather than the lengthy story and two at a time intro that Gandalf had to manufacture. I"m not a fan but I imagine something other than what was written will take place at this point in the story. I"m pretty stoked to hear Beorns "rolling laugh" though! Hope they can get that down at least.

The best weed in the southfarthing!


Rostron2
Gondor


Feb 22 2012, 3:58pm

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Yeah, I'm with you on this [In reply to] Can't Post

However, since he doesn't actually transform in front of Bilbo and the dwarves, I doubt we're going to see some cliche sort of were-bear in the first film. Will they deviate from the book and actually have them get a peek at him as he travels in bear form? Maybe. I think it would be better to have hints of his alternate form throughout their encounter, and then the big reveal is in Bo5A.


DanielLB
Immortal


Feb 22 2012, 4:07pm

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I like the sound of that! [In reply to] Can't Post

Have hints of something following them (whether or not they are aware that it is Beorn). And then have the totally epic reveal in BoFA. I just got even more excited Cool


TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Feb 22 2012, 4:46pm

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No blonde hair, please. [In reply to] Can't Post

Dark hair . . . hair that matches his fur as a bear.
I Do Not want to see a big, blonde bear.

"I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"

The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,

"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"


TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Feb 22 2012, 4:49pm

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Don't forget . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

. . . they have those stilt suits.

"I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"

The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,

"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"


DanielLB
Immortal


Feb 22 2012, 4:56pm

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That's a good point! / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Sam20
Lorien

Feb 22 2012, 4:57pm

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A tall and stout fellow! [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope to see a tall and stout fellow with dark or brown hair and beard. I think they can do something good with Beorn but I dont want to see a giant either.


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TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Feb 22 2012, 5:16pm

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Thanx. [In reply to] Can't Post

To my surprise, I occasionally come up with one Wink

"I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"

The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,

"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"


DanielLB
Immortal


Feb 22 2012, 5:18pm

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I never thought about a blonde bear! [In reply to] Can't Post

Although would a shapeshifter need to keep the same hair colour? Unless the production team have changed Beorn to a polar bear? Wink


TomthePilgrim
Rohan


Feb 22 2012, 5:35pm

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Polar bear? ACK! This is not the Golden Compass . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

Crazy

I see the Beorn from the book . . . a dark-haired giant that turns into a great bear with dark fur.

I suppose you don't have to keep the color the same, but Prof. Tolkien did, so I think you do.

"I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"

The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,

"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"


DanielLB
Immortal


Feb 22 2012, 6:43pm

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hehe [In reply to] Can't Post

Here's a Middle-Earth Consipiracy Theory for you:

Maybe PJ and co are going for a polar bear, so that the real reason Beorn joined in the Battle of the Five Armies was that orcs/Sauron etc were contributing to climate change!

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