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DanielLB
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Jan 25 2012, 5:41pm
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Yes the character wasn't in the book, but it doesn't really bother me introducing Tauriel into the films, and whether they have gradually expanded her role. It sounds quite exicting to me, and think its quite a clever idea. She must be in BO5A, she's filming for 5 months!
It sounds like they have tried to re-use the Arwen plot from The Two Towers. It's more needed here, as the book contains no females - I'm sure there will be lots of complaints even when the films come out.
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Faenoriel
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Jan 25 2012, 5:51pm
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Sounds exactly like what we've expected... and not that bad.
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She's one of Thranduil elven guards/warriors. Her role is similar to Haldir, Gamling, etc. Nothing big. No romance. Integrates well into the plot.
I'm pleased.
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Faenoriel
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Jan 25 2012, 5:54pm
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I fear that the second film will not look very much like the Hobbit. Likely it will be a far more geopolitical film, cutting back and forth b/w Thranduil's plots, Laketown, the dwarves, Gandalf/White Council, and perhaps the Iron Hills.
But.... isn't that exactly what the last part of the book is? The first 2/3 is a "road-movie" where the heroes get into the Lonely Mountain region, and the last 1/3 is about the local geo-politics and interracial relationships. This basic sturcture is not so different to LotR.
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Nightingale
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Jan 25 2012, 5:56pm
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they don't try for the 'modern femme' angle. It worked in an understated way with Eowyn. I don't think it's needed here.
"You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me" - C. S. Lewis
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DanielLB
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Jan 25 2012, 5:59pm
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Although, for some perspective, does anyone know how much 5 months would (roughly) equate to (possible) screen time?
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Faenoriel
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Jan 25 2012, 5:59pm
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But wouldn't she then have a bigger part in film 1?
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If she doesn't have much screentime and character establishment in film 1, then if she just appears to help out Bilbo it will feel cheap: a deus ex machina to help them escape.
Besides, it will make her look bad. She's supposed to be Thranduil's most trusted person in the defence of his kingdom, and yet she has no respect for his clear and reasonably justifeable orders. Instead she lets potential enemies go. Consider also that she's a she. As a woman character doing boys' stuff, she needs to be extra respectable, or the audience will hate her. I'm sorry, but that's how things roll...
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Faenoriel
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Jan 25 2012, 6:01pm
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Depends entirely on how much freetime she has during those months... //
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DanielLB
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Jan 25 2012, 6:03pm
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Yeah. Any idea how long Gamling/Haldir filmed for?
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Faenoriel
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Jan 25 2012, 6:06pm
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Lady Haleth of Beleriand was militaric chieftainess leader of her people, and her bodyguards were amazons. However, this was not a common custom among Men, only her people.
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rings7
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Jan 25 2012, 6:10pm
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I think that what she was trying to say
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is that you don't wanna mess up with her for the type of character that she is.
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rings7
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Jan 25 2012, 6:14pm
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honestly i still think they're gonna try to at least create a kiss scene at some point. We know no one kisses in The Hobbit, but you know, this is Hollywood. I still think they're gonna pair her with someone, for at least that famous kiss scene we see in all those epic movies.
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TomthePilgrim
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Jan 25 2012, 6:15pm
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I see your point, however . . .
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We don't want her being Thranduil's lacky either. Thranduil's early role is as a foe, a villain. He stops Thorin and the party in their tracks, imprisoning them. If she is the stalwart Captain of the Guard, than she will also be the foe . . . and simply a pale copy of Thranduil.
I expect PJ want's her to soften this hard stance of Thranduil, making it more palatable when they switch alliances at the end. Thus, making her at a minimum a voice of reason makes sense. Maybe she doesn't help them to escape, but she becomes sympathetic towards them . . .
. . . hang on a sec . . .
(Had to re-read that stretch of the book) The chief of the guard is the one who gets drunk with the 'butler'. That is the person Bilbo 'steals' the keys from . . .
I'd forgotten that part for a moment. That makes this even more interesting . . . . . . . .
"I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"
The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
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Darkstone
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Jan 25 2012, 6:16pm
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Hopkins/Gamling says he filmed off and on until the very last day of filming. (He was able to attend the wrap party where Jackson gave him Gamling's sword and a clapper board.)
Parker/Haldir says he filmed off and on for two years including pickups. (As a short man playing a tall elf he shot most of his scenes on 6-inch platform shoes.)
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"Yeah, I see. I see our troubles don’t amount to a hill of beans. You belong with Celeborn. And I need to go find the only one who can save us."
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TomthePilgrim
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Jan 25 2012, 6:18pm
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Wasn't aware of that bit of info . . .
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"I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"
The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
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Faenoriel
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Jan 25 2012, 6:21pm
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Hollywood is certainly involved, but I'd like to remaind you they're NZ movies made by international crew, led by pure Kiwis. They're PJ's movies, he's their producer, co-writer and director. He actually does have some authority over them and their content. He's not as boneless (or without influence and power of his own) as some try to make him look like.
Besides, if you really insist I can give you a looong list of "Hollywood movies" with no kissing.
Seriously, I'm starting to believe you people secretly want there to be Tauriel romance and are just in closet about it. 
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Owain
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Jan 25 2012, 6:22pm
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Some films are shot in less than a few weeks...
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So it's really difficult to say exactly... PJ is notorious for getting another take or "one more for luck".
So it's hard to say...
Middle Earth is New Zealand!
"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."
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geordie
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Jan 25 2012, 6:23pm
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"You definitely wouldn’t want to be caught in a dark alley next to Tauriel."
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Precious little chance of that, in my case.
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Faenoriel
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Jan 25 2012, 6:26pm
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We interprent Thranduil very differently then
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He never seemed like a villain to me at any point, only an antagonistic force the heroes must overcome to continue their journey.
And how following the orders of her boss makes her a "pale copy" of him? It makes her a soldier doing her job right.
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Symbelmine
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Jan 25 2012, 6:27pm
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Tauriel is a warrior, her role is expanded, she is a head guard, deadly....etc. I don't like that. I wouldn't mind if she was a healer or a member of Thranduil's counsel or something like that. I'm tired of all those warrior females. Middle Earth isn't War Craft.
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Faenoriel
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Jan 25 2012, 6:29pm
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There being any chance of it happening would mean the Elves indeed are still around us. (I'm a sucker for "Elves through history to our age" fan fiction stories, even though I know they technically should all have become invisible to us.)
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Darkstone
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Jan 25 2012, 6:32pm
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..Luthien who fought Sauron and destroyed his tower on the Isle of Werewolves, Galadriel (aka "Manly Maiden") who brought down Sauron's tower in Mirkwood, and Idril who personally saved a bunch of people during the Fall of Gondolin.
You don't mess with Elven maids.
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"Yeah, I see. I see our troubles don’t amount to a hill of beans. You belong with Celeborn. And I need to go find the only one who can save us."
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Faenoriel
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Jan 25 2012, 6:38pm
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Now now... take a deep breath... :D
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I'm sure it's not the end of the world, and there's good chances it will turn out quite fine. 
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Faenoriel
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Jan 25 2012, 6:39pm
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I understand people who feel female warriors don't belong to Middle-Earth (even though they technically do). But even still I personally feel her being a guard is much more sensible than her being any other kind of Elf.
This is because this story is a Dwarf-story, and it only sees Elves from the outside. They're mostly present as warriors. The climbses we see of their normal society in its normal life are brief and under abnormal situations. The only Elves who have ongoing presence of any kind in the story are guards, spies, knights, soldiers.
Therefore, if any Elven extra should be given a face and a name, it should be a warrior. The others surely exist too, but they don't have much influence on the story. If we were to delve deeper into any of them, the story would need to change noticeably to make it possible.
And to me, the plot remaining untouched is much more important than the gender of minor Elf characters.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jan 25 2012, 6:43pm
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It may well turn out bad, but there is nothing there that confirms that it will. You are just jumping to conclusions. Having a female head of the Elven guard is not a problem in and of itself. It's just how it plays out that is the question. And there is nothing in this article that gives us a real clue as to that.
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