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My greatest fear is that the two Hobbit movies will look like Avatar
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Kangi Ska
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Aug 30 2011, 12:52pm

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My greatest fear is that the two Hobbit movies will look like Avatar Can't Post

or even "Rise of the Planet of Apes". I guess the best description I can give what I am talking about is "realistic but not real". I dislike the over processed feel of a lot of the new movies.

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Durin
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Aug 30 2011, 1:27pm

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I'm not sure... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think PJ will be trying to recapture much of the look of the trilogy. Plus, with so much set-work, and tons of outdoor shooting in the beautiful backdrop of New Zealand, I think it will feel a lot more rustic. Just my thoughts. ;)

-Durin


Kangi Ska
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Aug 30 2011, 1:50pm

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It is not the sets they use or the locations they shoot in. [In reply to] Can't Post

It is something about the look or feel of the final product. 3-D only intensifies the problem.

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Darkstone
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Aug 30 2011, 2:09pm

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Is it age? [In reply to] Can't Post

I can ask that ageist question cause I have the same problem with intensely cgi scenes. My old eyes seem to have difficulty grasping the separate cgi elements. They seem to slide right off the effects unless I make a conscience effort to focus. For example certain cgi intensive scenes in the later Star Wars films leave me more frustrated than amazed. And the entirely green-screened film Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow (2004) was especially problematical. The film was incredibly detailed, yet I had to strain to even come close to appreciating it. Maybe the younger you are the more ability you have to lose yourself in cgi.

As for 3-D, I seem to be able to appreciate it best in fully animated films. Though it was impressive in Avatar (2009), I found the calmer sequences more comprehensible, while the massive battle scenes tended to be confusing.

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Carne
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Aug 30 2011, 2:13pm

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Well, for me I never thought of the Na'vi as CG characters because they were so lifelike it made them just look like actors with makeup and prosthetics, but I can see what you mean.


Pipe Dream
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Aug 30 2011, 2:21pm

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I see what you are getting at. [In reply to] Can't Post

I think part of that problem is when a typical average theater shows a film designed to be see at a higher resolution then it's projector is able to display, it's print is compressed down and is shown at around say 1.5K resolution where as the film itself is around 4-6K, the CGI begins to look more artificial because all the extra fine detail is lost. Plus when you throw in the whole 48 FPS change etc., I'll make a safe bet that if you make sure to see it in a digital IMAX theater that is projected at 48 FPS it will look phenomenal.

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ByThorinsBeard
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Aug 30 2011, 2:23pm

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I'm thinking otherwise Kangi [In reply to] Can't Post

 
I believe that actual sets (bigatures?), make up, the natural setting of NZ and other such things will make this look more medieval with some realistic but not real elements.

Don't worry until we see footage, Mister Ska. :)

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Lindele
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Aug 30 2011, 3:00pm

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I think that [In reply to] Can't Post

Peter Jackson prefers and relies on a more organic look, feel, setting than James Cameron. The fact that PJ used a lot of miniatures and matte paintings on LOTR gives me hope that The Hobbit will not look like the films you have described. He is more old fashioned than Cameron for sure.


JWPlatt
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Aug 30 2011, 4:11pm

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The Look [In reply to] Can't Post

I know what you mean. But I think The Hobbit will look better than the typical young reader fantasy franchises they turn into eye-candy movies that don't look so real. e.g., Narnia, Golden Compass, etc.


Estel78
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Aug 30 2011, 4:55pm

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LOTR didn't look real in a number of places... // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Bound
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Aug 30 2011, 5:00pm

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I agree... [In reply to] Can't Post

And its only going to look even more "clean" because of the frames per second.....

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Darkstone
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Aug 30 2011, 5:04pm

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What was weird.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...was that in some places where it didn't look real it turned out it was, and in some places where I'd swear it was real it wasn't.

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Ataahua
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Aug 30 2011, 6:22pm

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I was certain [In reply to] Can't Post

the valley backdrop to Edoras was a painting. I felt like a right fool when I was told it was real! In my own country!

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Durin
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Aug 30 2011, 6:24pm

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Right, like... [In reply to] Can't Post

...in TT when Legolas swung himself onto the horse at the start of the warg fight- I could've sworn that was CGI! ;) Just kidding, I know what you mean, though.

I feel like sometimes CGI is almost too good, to the point that you can pick it out.

The 3D thing does worry me, though. I hope the movie doesn't have too many cheesy 3D shots, I'm waiting for that gimmick to fade back into the 90's.

-Durin


Finrod
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Aug 30 2011, 7:20pm

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I feel like sometimes CGI is almost too good, to the point that you can pick it out.


If you can pick it out, it isn’t that good.

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Pipe Dream
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Aug 30 2011, 7:36pm

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Don't you mean fade back to the 50's? [In reply to] Can't Post


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The 3D thing does worry me, though. I hope the movie doesn't have too many cheesy 3D shots, I'm waiting for that gimmick to fade back into the 90's.






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Maiarmike
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Aug 30 2011, 7:45pm

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That is definitely true. [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ uses greenscreens and bluescreens when he must, but usually only in necessity, when it can't be done any other way. The Hobbit doesn't exactly call for the type of CGI that Avatar used, because Cameron was creating a world that didn't exist at all, and everything from the flowers and trees had to be designed and created on computers.

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Maiarmike
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Aug 30 2011, 8:03pm

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I wouldn't worry. [In reply to] Can't Post

They would have to completely neglect WETA workshop, and all the work that Richard Taylor puts into prosthesis and weapons and make-up, and all the great things that all those people work on. The locations will be there in the film, they won't be created with CGI (with the possible exception of Mirkwood), the people will be there, they won't be CGI creations. Obviously there's going to be CGI, just as there was in Lord of the Rings, but the computers have advanced so much over the years, that it will be even harder to discern. As others have said, so much of the LotR deceived people, as they thought some things were fake when they were real, or some things were real when they were fake. I have full faith in Lesnie, Dan Hennah, and Richard Taylor, and the creative people at WETA who make everything look so amazing for the cameras. I think Peter will go for the same look, if not a little brighter or cheerier, for these movies. Your fears may be put to rest when the trailers hit.

I know how you feel though, I can't help but think these dark thoughts at the back of my mind all the time, such as "what if they don't put all the effort and work into these movies as they did with LotR?" or "what if they aren't as good as LotR, will it tarnish the legacy of those films?"...but I think all of those questions come out of love for the world in which they're making these movies. That anxiety probably won't go away until the trailers are released, and we see that it's just as it always was, like the team just naturally went into the project from LotR. But hey, it can't be all that bad if The Hobbit turns out like Avatar, that film received pretty great reviews (for the most part), became the highest grossing film of all time, and won the Golden Globe for Best Picture, and was nominated for 9 Academy Awards. I'll be a very happy man if those same things happen with these films (without the Pocahontas and Fern Gully comparisons of course...Wink).

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Darkstone
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Aug 30 2011, 8:08pm

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Blue hobbits? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Durin
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Aug 30 2011, 8:41pm

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I feel like sometimes CGI is almost too good, to the point that you can pick it out.


If you can pick it out, it isn’t that good.



Point taken. What I mean is, sometimes things almost look too clear when it's CGI. I'm not sure how to explain it. Maybe it's something in the shadowing and shading of the subject.

-Durin


taekotemple
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Aug 30 2011, 8:42pm

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That would bother me too. [In reply to] Can't Post

I found Avatar kind of dizzying to watch. It was an okay movie, but the basic plot has been done to death before, even specifically by James Cameron (Dances with Wolves anyone? -- I thought that movie was better.) The only reason to really see that film is for the CGI, and it did bother me when I watched it on the big screen. CGI is a little too "perfect looking" and makes people look like rubber to me.

The interesting thing is that computer animated movies like Shrek don't bother me in the same way. Maybe because it's not intended to look photorealistic.

However, I think PJ really likes practical effects. Why waste the money and time on CGI with something that can be done just as well practically? CGI should only be used in a live action film where a practical effect won't work, in my opinion. It makes sense to me to use it in combination with a practical effect, to help make the practical effect look more real, for example (like adding waving flags to a bigature shot.) That or for something like the Massive shots in LotR.

Hopefully, PJ will continue to stick with his pattern with practical effects.

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Marionette
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Aug 30 2011, 8:56pm

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I believe The Hobbit will look more realistic than LOTR trilogy.
They will use 10 years of better technology.
It has to look way better and more realistic!!

I wouldn´t compare Avatar to the Hobbit, however...Avatar looks truly amazing and realistic to me (3D-theaters version and the DVD-TV-version as well)

Anywayz to me they are both different things.
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LordMaximus
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Aug 30 2011, 8:58pm

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I'm sure Weta can do better than the Scorpion King in the Mummy. [In reply to] Can't Post

I think you are forgetting already how detailed the digital doubles and characters such as Gollum were, and remember Gollum’s face was ‘hand animated’ (for the lack of knowing a better term) rather than mo cap? The level of polish in these films was very high and i would doubt that they would risk anything less for the hobbit.


Eledhwen
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Aug 30 2011, 9:04pm

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I still couldn't quite believe it was real [In reply to] Can't Post

when I was standing on top of the hill itself. So ridiculously beautiful.

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Estel78
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Aug 30 2011, 9:18pm

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My greatest fear is that the two Hobbit movies won't be great (beyond the looks). // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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