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R.STEED
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Aug 25 2011, 6:38pm

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What is the possibility that Jackson will work on 'The Silmarillion' film... Can't Post

I know Peter would laff his bollox off at this post but really,is there a possibility of it?
lol.


Elizabeth
Half-elven


Aug 25 2011, 6:48pm

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Zero. [In reply to] Can't Post

As much as many of us would love to see at least some of the Sil stories filmed, movie rights are not available, and the Tolkien family has made clear that they aren't likely to be available for many years.

This has been discussed here a lot. The most common opinion is that several of the stories (e.g. Turin, Beren & Luthien) could be done as individual films, or (my personal favorite) an extended series on cable TV, maybe HBO (which does quality work). But unfortunately it's just a pipe dream for now.






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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Aug 25 2011, 7:03pm

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What Silmarillion film? [In reply to] Can't Post

Did the Earth's core suddenly cool?

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Flagg
Tol Eressea


Aug 25 2011, 7:14pm

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Not likely [In reply to] Can't Post

The odds are that Jackson, along with most of the people currently walking the earth, will be long dead by the time a Silmarillion film becomes possible.


LordMaximus
Rivendell


Aug 25 2011, 7:22pm

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Become available? [In reply to] Can't Post

What does everyone mean by this? Do you mean that Christopher Tolkien currently has them and is not interested in selling them, just the same as they were determined to stop the hobbit from getting filmed? For the right price, things might change, unless there is something else stopping this from happening.


RosieLass
Valinor


Aug 25 2011, 7:27pm

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I don't think Christopher Tolkien has a "right price." [In reply to] Can't Post

He's not going to sell the film rights to the Silmarillion. Period.



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Darkstone
Immortal


Aug 25 2011, 7:30pm

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Yep. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's not about money to him.

******************************************
Brothers, sisters,
I was Elf once.
We danced together
Under the Two Trees.
We sang as the soft gold of Laurelin
And the bright silver of Telperion,
Brought forth the dawn of the world.
Then I was taken.

Brothers, sisters,
In my torment I kept faith,
And I waited.
But you never came.
And when I returned you drew sword,
And when I called your names you drew bow.
Was my Eldar beauty all,
And my soul nothing?

So be it.
I will return your hatred,
And I am hungry.


Darkstone
Immortal


Aug 25 2011, 7:32pm

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They were determined to stop The Hobbit from getting filmed? [In reply to] Can't Post

Who knew?

******************************************
Brothers, sisters,
I was Elf once.
We danced together
Under the Two Trees.
We sang as the soft gold of Laurelin
And the bright silver of Telperion,
Brought forth the dawn of the world.
Then I was taken.

Brothers, sisters,
In my torment I kept faith,
And I waited.
But you never came.
And when I returned you drew sword,
And when I called your names you drew bow.
Was my Eldar beauty all,
And my soul nothing?

So be it.
I will return your hatred,
And I am hungry.


LordMaximus
Rivendell


Aug 25 2011, 7:58pm

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He might not but things change [In reply to] Can't Post

Slightly morbid thought I know, but the next trustee of the tolkien estate might feel otherwise.


LordMaximus
Rivendell


Aug 25 2011, 8:01pm

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Court case regarding LOTR monies not being paid and objection to the hobbit// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Darkstone
Immortal


Aug 25 2011, 8:34pm

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Precisely. [In reply to] Can't Post

The Tolkien Estate wanted the money owed them from the LOTR films before they'd let New Line film The Hobbit. Seems total reasonable to me. Once they won their case, they lifted their objection to The Hobbit film. That is, their aim was not "to stop the hobbit from getting filmed" but rather simply to get paid what was rightfully owed to them. That's a bad thing?

Frankly I thoroughly applaud anyone who has the courage to go toe-to-toe against shady Hollywood accounting practices. Like, say, Peter Jackson did. (Remember when he said he wasn't going to direct The Hobbit because he suspected New Line still owed him money for LOTR?)

******************************************
Brothers, sisters,
I was Elf once.
We danced together
Under the Two Trees.
We sang as the soft gold of Laurelin
And the bright silver of Telperion,
Brought forth the dawn of the world.
Then I was taken.

Brothers, sisters,
In my torment I kept faith,
And I waited.
But you never came.
And when I returned you drew sword,
And when I called your names you drew bow.
Was my Eldar beauty all,
And my soul nothing?

So be it.
I will return your hatred,
And I am hungry.


(This post was edited by Darkstone on Aug 25 2011, 8:36pm)


Elizabeth
Half-elven


Aug 25 2011, 9:52pm

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The next in line isn't much diffeent. [In reply to] Can't Post

Some of the younger generation of Tolkiens (such as Royd, who had some cameos in LotR) might be amenable, but they're a couple of generations away from being in charge.

Meanwhile, the family is rich, the Tolkien Estate's charitable foundation is rich, and the older members of the family all seem united in feeling that the books are not appropriate movie material.






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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Aug 25 2011, 11:29pm

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One should avoid speaking [In reply to] Can't Post

When one does not know what one is talking about.

Particularly when speaking to others who do know.

As Darkstone points out, the lawsuit was about receiving the funds that they were contractually entitled to from the LOTR films. The only issue with "stopping the Hobbit films" was as leverage to get what they were entitled to based on the agreements that were entered into on Tolkien's behalf back in 1969. Or at least some of it, since the settlement was likely not the full amount that they were really owed. And to make sure that they don't have to go through the same thing this time around.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

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LordMaximus
Rivendell


Aug 26 2011, 12:43am

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Excuse me for asking for clarification [In reply to] Can't Post

You have forgot to mention C Tolkien was going to attempt to terminate the film rights June 6th 2008. Different case to the settlement you are talking about. Obviously they wanted to be able to control the hobbit and get paid out as a result. You can't say that it was going to be made at all at this stage.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Aug 26 2011, 1:03am

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Not a different case [In reply to] Can't Post

That's the same case. Here is a detailed description of the case that appeared here at TORN:

http://www.theonering.net/...vs-new-line-lawsuit/

And here is TORN's exclusive reporting of the settlement of the case:

http://www.theonering.net/...obbit-movie-is-safe/

You may possibly note that the former was written by me, and the latter was also provided by me.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

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LordMaximus
Rivendell


Aug 26 2011, 1:35am

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Total clarification [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks and thanks to the media for their accurate reporting :P


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Aug 26 2011, 1:45am

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Honestly, I forgot how inaccuartely the media had reported the case [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I blocked it out.

My apologies for being so testy.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

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ByThorinsBeard
Rohan


Aug 26 2011, 12:22pm

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LOL [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess I'm one of those folks that doesn't need or want Sil to be filmed.

I'm happy with what we have and leaving some of Mister Tolkien's works to the imagination.

"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you anywhere." - Albert Einstein.


Jonathan the Elf
Rivendell


Aug 26 2011, 8:16pm

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Yeah he would! [In reply to] Can't Post

But honastly I hope to everything that he will. It would be just so so so.... Well I really can't discribe how amazing it would be.

Jonathan the Elf (fan)

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Darkstone
Immortal


Aug 26 2011, 8:29pm

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But... ***spoilers The Silmarillion*** [In reply to] Can't Post

...there's no hobbits in the Sil.

******************************************
Brothers, sisters,
I was Elf once.
We danced together
Under the Two Trees.
We sang as the soft gold of Laurelin
And the bright silver of Telperion,
Brought forth the dawn of the world.
Then I was taken.

Brothers, sisters,
In my torment I kept faith,
And I waited.
But you never came.
And when I returned you drew sword,
And when I called your names you drew bow.
Was my Eldar beauty all,
And my soul nothing?

So be it.
I will return your hatred,
And I am hungry.


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Aug 26 2011, 9:56pm

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Really?! [In reply to] Can't Post

Well... there's no problem then.

How 'bout The Adventures of Tom Bombadil?




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willowing
Lorien

Aug 26 2011, 10:02pm

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Peter and the Silmarillion [In reply to] Can't Post

The late President Kennedy, in his speech in the early sixties spoke of man going to the moon before the end of the decade. Peter and the Silmarillion is not an impossibility, but due to health reasons he may play a smaller role if it does come to realisation.Unimpressed


Darkstone
Immortal


Aug 26 2011, 10:42pm

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Then again... [In reply to] Can't Post

...since The Silmarillion has a distinctly different feeling and sensibility than The Hobbit and LOTR, perhaps it is best someone else produce it.

Besides, according to the FOTR commentary track, Walsh's anguished scream that was used for the Nazgul was produced when Jackson teasingly told her he'd gotten the rights to the Sil.

******************************************
Brothers, sisters,
I was Elf once.
We danced together
Under the Two Trees.
We sang as the soft gold of Laurelin
And the bright silver of Telperion,
Brought forth the dawn of the world.
Then I was taken.

Brothers, sisters,
In my torment I kept faith,
And I waited.
But you never came.
And when I returned you drew sword,
And when I called your names you drew bow.
Was my Eldar beauty all,
And my soul nothing?

So be it.
I will return your hatred,
And I am hungry.


geordie
Tol Eressea

Aug 26 2011, 11:05pm

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And furthermore... [In reply to] Can't Post

quote: "... according to the FOTR commentary track, Walsh's anguished scream that was used for the Nazgul was produced when Jackson teasingly told her he'd gotten the rights to the Sil."

That would be my reaction too, lol.







Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Aug 26 2011, 11:17pm

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Yah, he will be about 110 years old if that young. [In reply to] Can't Post

I am certain PJ will not direct another Middle-earth movie.

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At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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