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If you could bring Middle Earth to life (other than movie/tv/liveshow/game), in what form?

Tol Eressea

Aug 15 2011, 9:39pm

Post #1 of 14 (525 views)
If you could bring Middle Earth to life (other than movie/tv/liveshow/game), in what form? Can't Post


So, let's say you had the opportunity to make Tolkien's Middle Earth come to life somehow in a tangible way. It cannot be a movie, TV show, live performance, or game adaptation. it doesn't have to be a theme park like Harry Potter's, or for any kind of entertainment. It doesn't have to be for public consumption.

You have a budget sufficient to obtain the real estate you want, as well as to plan, construct, operate, and market a fairly decent sized theme park, say, equal to one Disney park such as Epcot or Magic Kingdom, or one Six Flags park, for examples. Again, it doesn't have to be a theme park.

Of course you would have any and all intellectual property and other legal rights, including books and/or movies, under the sky as needed. (We're all fantasy enthusiasts, right?)

--What would it be?

--What might the experience be like from the POV of an individual for whom it is intended, i.e., a visitor/tourist/customer/member/client?

--If you had to pick only 15 things from Tolkien's world or from a movie adaptation (i.e., geographical settings, story events, cultures, characters, etc.) that would be featured, which would they be and in what manner?

"That doesn't make much sense to me. But then again, you are quite small. Perhaps you're right."

Kangi Ska

Aug 15 2011, 11:15pm

Post #2 of 14 (280 views)
Ever see the movie "West World"? [In reply to] Can't Post

Middle-earth: The Experience.

Of course I would need all of Ted Turner's land holdings in Wyoming, USA to make it do-able.Sly

Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.

At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.


Aug 16 2011, 12:52am

Post #3 of 14 (282 views)
Not far from a permanent RenFaire . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah, a permanent ME RenFaire, only with, say, a Shire, Lothlorien and/or Rivendell, and Gondor (no Mordor, though). It would have to be fairly northern, with a nice chunk of old-growth forest.

I've fantasized about a much simpler permanent RenFaire. But then the way the oil market and the financial markets are going, we'll have the whole world rediscovering a medieval sorta feel soon enough. Tongue

I've noticed how many of the RenFaires both here and in Europe seem to be getting more corporate, more commercial, though. Sure, some commercialism would probably be unavoidable. But if I had my druthers, the "staff" would be real-life reenactors, i.e., it would be a functional, year-round place. Then the "visitors" could be more like open-air museum guests. But eventually, I'd like my ME-RenFaire to cease being a "theme park" and just start being a real place, real community. The Amish here in NA have that sort of a set-up, i.e., a real, working community -- although the real Amish are totally stand-offish and you never really meet them or get to know them. I'd definitely want guests to interact with the "elves," "hobbits," and "men."

Hey, lots and lots of room for exploration here!

Tol Eressea

Aug 16 2011, 1:13am

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a show with everything but Yul Brynner [In reply to] Can't Post

I haven't seen Westworld but I've heard of it. I see the Imdb tagline for the movie I think you're talking about:

"A robot malfunction creates havoc and terror for unsuspecting vacationers at a futuristic, adult-themed amusement park."

Hmmm! interesting! (thoughts of being chased by a robot Lurtz....) Shocked

"That doesn't make much sense to me. But then again, you are quite small. Perhaps you're right."

Gollum the Great

Aug 16 2011, 1:16am

Post #5 of 14 (255 views)
I have a dream... [In reply to] Can't Post

and I'm really serious about this, but someday, I honestly think it would be so cool to live in a hobbit hole and run tours. And I mean go full out - build a cellar with an echo, and paneled walls, and lots of hooks for hanging company hats and hoods, and a very well stocked pantry.

I honestly think you could make a pretty tidy sum (you'd have to to cover all the extra expenses - large gardens, lots of baked goods, etc.) running tours, maybe hosting a wedding every so often, high (or rather "low" :) tea on Saturday afternoons...

I would be decked out in full hobbit dress, ribbons, etc. Maybe even some foot wigs? Tongue

I could get someone really tall to dress like a ringwraith and make a surprise appearance jumping out of a closet or something... would be too awesome!

Lord Sméagol? Gollum the Great? The Gollum! Eat fish every day, three times a day; fresh from the sea. Most Precious Gollum!

Gollum the Great

Aug 16 2011, 1:22am

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oh i've heard of that movie [In reply to] Can't Post

just the other day, coincidentally...

Lord Sméagol? Gollum the Great? The Gollum! Eat fish every day, three times a day; fresh from the sea. Most Precious Gollum!

Tol Eressea

Aug 16 2011, 3:08am

Post #7 of 14 (274 views)
The Land of Middle Earth: the ultimate vacation resort [In reply to] Can't Post

.... where the employees actually live there either as renters or owners, and as shareholders who would share in the profits. It should have its own self-sustaining mini-economy. Someone mentioned a permanent Ren Faire. Something like that.

I'd want:

--a luxury spa in the mountains by a river, based on Rivendell. I'm not really into going to spas, but when I think of Rivendell, I think there ought to be a spa.

--The mountains and woods nearby have to be naturally worthy of Misty Mountains and, at least the Old Forest if not Mirkwood.

--Seminars such as language instruction such as coversational Sindarin, written Tengwar etc.

--instruction in Elvish archery, Dunadain longsword, Dwarven axe combat, etc.

--a Mines of Moria to explore, Dwarf-guided.

--You can rent a Lorien-style longboat for rowing on the main lake, Mirrormere.

--For lodgings you can stay in a Hobbit-hole style bungalow (but larger, for comfort) or in treehouse-style quarters Lorien style.

--Meals vary by theme based on a particular Middle Earth culture. Most of the ingredients are grown on site. Breakfasts tend to be based on Hobbit culture. Naturally you have the option of seven meals per day, but that's more of a "local" thing.

--(Weekends only) Battle re-enactments! visitors may participate but have to bring their own armor and equipment in accordance with safety rules. Anybody can spectate.

--Duel re-enactments, such as Eowyn & Merry v Witchking, Gandalf v. Balrog, Sam v. Shelob. Also hypothetical match-ups!

--Evening live entertainments showcasing the cultures of Middle Earth.

--At some point there should be fireworks.

--Choice of restaurants and bars include The Green Dragon Inn (Hobbit pub), Prancing Pony (Man-Hobbit hybrid ale house), Last Homely House (Elvish casual), Nimrodel (five-star Elvish gourmet), Mirrormere Tavern (Dwarvish BBQ), White Tower (five-star Gondor cuisine, an Elvish-Hobbit fusion style), and Meduseld (Rohan-based mead hall). For coffee and tea, there's Bywater Cafe and on the other side of the resort there's Rhosgobel Tea House. For vegetarian fare there's the Carrock. Also there should be a pipe-smoker's bar, Old Toby's. Some of these could be booked for weddings.

"That doesn't make much sense to me. But then again, you are quite small. Perhaps you're right."


Aug 16 2011, 4:14am

Post #8 of 14 (265 views)
The only problem is. . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

. . . ye olde Tolkien Estate and various other "bosses" who would get all legal on us. Yeah, it would be a great thing, but let's face it, the "TE & Cie" would nix it fast.

But if it was all some sort of medieval/RenFaire/SCA/Nottingham mash-up sorta thing -- with fairies, sprites, etc. thrown in for me -- you could still do it and have basically the same thing. I haven't been there in years, but I'm getting the feeling that Europe is really a hot place now for medieval/RenFaire stuff. I'm a big fan of the German band Faun (check out FaunTube at YouTube) and they make a wide circuit of the various fests over there.

I've thought for a long time that a non-cheesy, non-rip-off, permanent RenFaire done by seriously dedicated people would be a smash hit.


Aug 16 2011, 5:43am

Post #9 of 14 (234 views)
Not a game, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

A full-scale virtual Middle-earth would be good I think.

I quite like experiencing Middle-earth virtually (in lieu of in reality!) but all the virtual Middle-earths I've seen have been woefully undersized. They end up being essentially Tolkien theme-parks anyway, which, in theory at least, a virtual Middle-earth needn't be.

I can understand why a full-size Middle-earth hasn't been produced for a game, as games need to be much more focused -- what would a typical game player do in a full-size ME anyway? But still, I think it would be nice to be able to explore a full-scale virtual Middle-earth.


Aug 16 2011, 2:49pm

Post #10 of 14 (219 views)
Thematic Eco-tourism [In reply to] Can't Post


Brothers, sisters,
I was Elf once.
We danced together
Under the Two Trees.
We sang as the soft gold of Laurelin
And the bright silver of Telperion,
Brought forth the dawn of the world.
Then I was taken.

Brothers, sisters,
In my torment I kept faith,
And I waited.
But you never came.
And when I returned you drew sword,
And when I called your names you drew bow.
Was my Eldar beauty all,
And my soul nothing?

So be it.
I will return your hatred,
And I am hungry.

(This post was edited by Darkstone on Aug 16 2011, 2:51pm)


Aug 20 2011, 2:09am

Post #11 of 14 (154 views)
Holodeck! // [In reply to] Can't Post


In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit...

Ethel Duath

Aug 20 2011, 7:04pm

Post #12 of 14 (158 views)
Perfect! But they'd have to tie a rope to my ankle-- [In reply to] Can't Post

because I'd never leave on my own . . . ("Counselor Troi to Holodeck 3!")


Aug 20 2011, 8:27pm

Post #13 of 14 (158 views)
You're absolutely right! [In reply to] Can't Post

 I'm willing to bet that Middle-earth will be the first program created for holodeck use by the next, next, next,.... generation.


Aug 21 2011, 1:21am

Post #14 of 14 (217 views)
let's hope no one [In reply to] Can't Post

looks like Yul Brynner (may he rest in peace)...

Seriously, I'd go to GtG and your middle earth places in a heartbeat. Sounds like fun.

"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you anywhere." - Albert Einstein.


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