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R11
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Jul 18 2011, 8:37pm
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And it's not just LOTR either. The Dwarves in LOTR were simply a very good rendition of the historical convention of what dwarves look like. Having just watched the extended blu-ray versions of the trilogy over again I can say it's why Gimli was one of my favorite characters in PJ's series, since he so well encapsulated that dwarven look. It's quite unfortunate that the powers that be felt that they needed to make most of the 13 in The Hobbit look very little to nothing like dwarves at all. What? No men main characters? Heh, we'll fix that! We'll just make several of them look dwarfish and pretend the rest do... It's anti dwarf racism I'm telling you ron
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Bran
Lorien
Jul 18 2011, 8:39pm
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but...... I never really bought into the theory that Thorin would be too young. As others have said, it worked well with Frodo. I had no issue with that. I have to say though, I did imagine Thorin as a lot older, and I must admit to being a little concerned. But Nori's hair really irks me. All the (TORN) staff seemed to talk about it, and when the hair is the main talking point in a character, it's very worrying. I've never been one for 'cool'. I didn't like Legolas' snowboarding exploits - it took me out of the film, and I feel Nori does the same. I see the dwarves and they look great, but I lose the magic, and the immersion in the world when I see a designer haircut. It's an annoying negative in what I see otherwise are some very, very good dwarves indeed.
Mawr yw ein braint i berthyn i'r gwm Llynfi
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Rufus
Bree
Jul 18 2011, 8:39pm
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I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic it is very difficult to tell. I posted the links just to show how much older they had made him look as Thorin
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Ececheira
Bree
Jul 18 2011, 8:43pm
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You may be right - I'm not well known for my subtlety LOL
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marillaraina
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 8:50pm
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Te age and worldly weariness. He does not have to look like a seventy year ol to show how troubled he is by all that he as lost. This is a concern I've really never gotten. World weariness has nothing to do with age. Nor do you need to be old to show how loss has haunted you. In fact I'd even go so far to say that it can be more effective in a slightly younger character, because it's less expected. And it isn't like they didn't age RA up at all, he looks a good ten or more years older than he looks in real life.
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Rufus
Bree
Jul 18 2011, 8:53pm
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It is how I think of Thorin. If I recall it doesn't say in The Hobbit that he is the oldest it simply says he is the most important. Now I know that in other publications Tolkein said more than that but the image is there in my mind. I wasn't a fan of Gimli's look it was a little to dough boy for me and I found it distracting. It was as if they were trying to hard.
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Garfeimao
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 9:05pm
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Actors are chameleons, some moreso than others. That was clear from the links that even in his normal guise he has different looks. The thanks was for the rather handsome images in the fashion spread, again, not sarcastic, just happy.
Peace, Love and Rock & Roll, Garfeimao The orange stripey One Cruise to Middle-earth
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Rufus
Bree
Jul 18 2011, 9:10pm
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For clearing that up. And your welcome though the pics don't do a lot for me
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Rosebud
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Jul 18 2011, 9:15pm
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Looks like Gloin's body mirrored (and desaturated) and with Oin's belt thrown in. The proportions are a bit odd - the legs look too short for the arms and shoulders but otherwise a good job.
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marillaraina
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 9:22pm
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That is pretty much how I imagined Thorin. I didn't imagine some lumpy ancient dude with white hair. I imagined a dark haired dwarf with some grey, more than they have on Armitage but not completely grey and I imagined the dwarves in general as more sharp featured, more like little stocky people but to be honest with Fili and Kili being the youngest, in my head, while they were both blond and bearded, I did tend to imagine them as being less stocky or "solid" looking than the older dwarves. So in my case the changes to these characters really aren't a huge deal because I never imagined them looking like what we ended up with Gimli(who's great I have nothing against Gimli but IMO he actually does look older than I'd think he'd need to being a dwarf in the slightly lower end of middle age). I never imagined Thorin as being ancient and white or grey and I never imagined Fili and Kili as being carbon copies of the older dwarves, in my head they were always thinner for lack of a better word. Yes they all look different than they did in my head but I still think they look great and have no problem with any of them really. I really think everything that looks in a still picture with no context like "Oh my god they've gone Hollywood!" is going to have a reasonable "in film" explanation which might possibly even heighten the emotion of what is going on.
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mykonos
Bree
Jul 18 2011, 9:59pm
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But what you see as criticizing can just be defending their belief in PJ's Thorin. And vise versa.
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Gandalf'sMother
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 10:23pm
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He didn't find the entire beard... Perhaps McShane has got the other half?
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Gandalf'sMother
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 10:25pm
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He actually looks significantly BETTER in the flet scene. Far more natural and less pizza-faced. Not sure why they didn't go with this version...
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Gandalf'sMother
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 10:30pm
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Think the proportions of the new dwarves are just fine, and are not inconsistent with the books. The lack of proper beards on some, however, are a different story. Tolkien made it rather clear that dwarves have long beards...
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Phibbus
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 11:06pm
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There could be a problem, though...
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I see what you're saying about Dwalin and Balin's 'specific' looks, though, but I was talking about proportions and general facial characteristics. Smoother, non-lumpy latex faces, with generally normal body proportions, but longer beards than Dwalin's (and 'not bald), are what I was looking for. The "Gimli dwarf" looks supremely awkward, is very unnatural, and is just plain difficult to watch. Not to mention the even more bloated LOTR film dwarves linked to somewhere else in this thread. I can see your point, somewhat, however... I think the buildup of prosthetics did serve a function beyond just giving the characters a "look." Namely, they served to build the actor's heads up so that they would appear as large as a normal human head when the character was scaled against human-height ones. I think this is rather important... Take a look at the composite made by chrismortega posted earlier in this thread which includes Gandalf for scale (And please, this is absolutely nothing against the wonderful job you've done, Chris.) You can see that the dwarves which retain more human proportions such as Dori, Fili, Kili, and Dwalin, when scaled to close to the proper height, do in fact look somewhat disconcertingly like merely miniature humans—kind of like the Lilliputian effect, or George Lucas' brownies but at not the same degree of miniaturization. Thorin, on the other hand, does look correct—his head is the same size as Gandalf's—however, the correctness is due to most of his body being hidden. If it were fully revealed, we would find that he is standing on his knees and is in fact the same size as Gandalf. I'm sure Jackson's effects team must have this whole thing worked out, however the publicity photos do seem to present some problems which indicate to me what we've seen might not be exactly what we get on-screen.
Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.
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kiwifan
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 11:23pm
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They (TIME) and etc. may be giants as far as printed copies/other forms of news circulation go but they write for money we write for love (and Mr Crere writes for both, I hope ) I'm beginning to feel like some sort of renegade --- someone get me some Longbottom Leaf, I need relax a bit
'Goodness gracious, you really are a messie!' 'Oh no, I'm not, these are all just mathoms...'
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Richie Rich
Rivendell
Jul 19 2011, 12:27am
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Thorin and Company Wallpaper (my version)
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I really like the wallpaper y'all put together for us, but I couldn't resist coming up with my own version: http://img824.imageshack.us/.../thorinwallpaper.jpg (the size is my desktop, 1680 x 1050). It's obviously quite similar to what you guys provided for us, but I didn't have much of a choice with good ole' Thorin having all sorts of bits and pieces chopped off in the official photo release!
(This post was edited by Richie Rich on Jul 19 2011, 12:29am)
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mulubinba
Rivendell
Jul 19 2011, 12:32am
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Thanks
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Ataahua
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Jul 19 2011, 12:33am
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If I had socks, they would be knocked off. Superb work, RR!
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..." Dwarves: "Pretty rings..." Men: "Pretty rings..." Sauron: "Mine's better." "Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak. Ataahua's stories
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Vellamo
Rivendell
Jul 19 2011, 12:43am
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TORn deserved this final revelation hands down. Congrats!
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Jul 19 2011, 12:47am
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I like your version. Very nice. It looks official.
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Keep up the good work! KS
Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain Life is an adventure, not a contest. At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea
Jul 19 2011, 12:49am
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but what's "flet", again?
I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.
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Phibbus
Rohan
Jul 19 2011, 12:51am
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Very polished composition.
Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.
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Altaira
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Jul 19 2011, 1:03am
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*wipes away tears of laughter* Best laugh I've had in a while. Thanks RR!
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"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower "I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase
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