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Flagg
Tol Eressea
Jul 18 2011, 7:04pm
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The fact that Armitage has been cast in the role is something I've long since come to terms with. But when I hear people criticising my personal interpretation of Thorin (or any other aspect of Tolkien's work), I feel obliged to defend it, and hopefully enable them to understand why I feel the way I do.
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Richie Rich
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Jul 18 2011, 7:09pm
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So do all who live to see such casting...
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But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the actor that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, besides the will of fans. Armitage was meant to find the beard. In which case, you were also meant to enjoy it. And that is an encouraging thought.
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Garfeimao
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 7:14pm
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Very funny Richie Rich, words fail me.
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Garfeimao
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 7:19pm
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I needed that little Oded break. And yes, that beard length is uber hot. Must be what the male Dwarves in Thorin's family strive for.
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Marillė by the Sea
Rivendell
Jul 18 2011, 7:20pm
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I think the reason why they blocked out half of Balin is because in the original picture, Dwalin overlaps Balin, so they needed Thorin to block out the jutting elbow and cloak of Dwalin that overlaps Balin. And I think they cut off Bombur and Kili at the end, as well as Thorin's other arm, is to get the resolution/display ratio just right (although my MacBook Pro has a 8:5 ratio, so none of the wallpaper sizes really fits!) But of course, the wallpaper definitely could be adjusted so that everyone fits in all nicely and still follow the display ratios.
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Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien
Jul 18 2011, 7:20pm
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Truly amazing Richie Rich!
All you have to decide is what to do with the time that has been given to you...
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SirDennisC
Half-elven
Jul 18 2011, 7:21pm
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If as light as you suggest, which
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is entirely possible given Elven craft, that is one more reason for Orcrist to be of the Middle-eastern-y sabre type. In order to be a proper cleaving sword most of the weight would have to be towards its point. This doesn't rule out the leaf blade design (a nice compromise between cleaving and thrusting) but ideally, for maximum hacking (as well as slicing, when drawn across one's target) ability the sabre shape is ideal.
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Ececheira
Bree
Jul 18 2011, 7:26pm
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It's not the opinion I have an issue with, just the repetition of the same points again and again.
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SirDennisC
Half-elven
Jul 18 2011, 7:33pm
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he'll make a much better Thorin than Bard imho. Having said that it is clear to me, especially in light of who was cast as Bard, that Thorin, rather than Bard, will carry the kind of weight that Aragorn did in LOTR.
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Zizix
Rivendell
Jul 18 2011, 7:34pm
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Maybe they said to each other "Nah, nobody is going to guess, are they? Nah!" ;)
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He does kinda look like Gowron, doesn't he. And I can't help thinking of the quote "Revenge, a dish best served Cold" that Christopher Plummer uttered in Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country. But then, the Klingons are a warrior race, like the Dwarves, so maybe the inspiration is closer than we think.
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Flagg
Tol Eressea
Jul 18 2011, 7:37pm
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Armitage's supporters repeat their opinions just as much as his detractors. //
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Rosebud
The Shire
Jul 18 2011, 7:38pm
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I agree that we are seeing the same thing at works here. Some of the characters are somewhat 'reinterpreted' to cater to the mainstream movie going demographic. The assessment is that "no teenagers will go and watch a movie where all characters are old men with long beard", and to be fair, the producers probably have a point. Having that said, as a fan of the book i'd selfishly like to see as much as possible of it on screen. Something however tells me that a lot more than some beard will be altered and that maybe some of the people who pride themselves with their open-mindedness now will get tested too later on.
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Darkstone
Immortal
Jul 18 2011, 7:47pm
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Even Gimli doesn't maintain continuity with the Gimli look.
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See the flet scene in the FOTR-EE.
****************************************** Brothers, sisters, I was Elf once. We danced together Under the Two Trees. We sang as the soft gold of Laurelin And the bright silver of Telperion, Brought forth the dawn of the world. Then I was taken. Brothers, sisters, In my torment I kept faith, And I waited. But you never came. And when I returned you drew sword, And when I called your names you drew bow. Was my Eldar beauty all, And my soul nothing? So be it. I will return your hatred, And I am hungry.
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Bound
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 7:48pm
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I can see this all getting slightly touchy.... it's not heated or personal but touchy... I can kinda undertand both sides of the problem here....
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Pipe Dream
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Jul 18 2011, 7:52pm
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I've just been waiting for an excuse to use that, it was just an example.
"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.
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Bound
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 7:56pm
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well nothing like a bit of humour...
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to break the tension.
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DrDeath153
Lorien
Jul 18 2011, 8:05pm
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Well in a sense that's what the controversy was about from the start
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Certainly for me. While it would have been nice for Richard Armitage to have resembled the Thorin in my mind's eye, it's not his look that is the real problem with making him younger- it's the knock on effect to his character and his arc. I've got no doubt Richard Armitage is suited to the role the writers have written, it's just a case of what's the nature of the role they've written? If Thorin looked as old as Gandalf that's only half the battle won (admittedly the more important half in a visual representation), it's what the look tells us about the nature of the character that is just as important. This is not only not Thorin as we imagined him looking, this suggests he's not the Thorin as we imagined him acting- age effects more than just the colour of your hair and Thorin's character is that of an old embittered King. I've said it before, but he's actually more like Theoden (at least Theoden's cinematic counterpart) than he is to Aragorn- Thorin's attitude to Gandalf is very similar to Theoden's in the film- courteous but not without suspicion. Dr Death
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Bow&Helm
The Shire
Jul 18 2011, 8:09pm
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Thanks for all your hard work TORn. Can't wait to see Thorin in action...
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Jettorex
Lorien
Jul 18 2011, 8:10pm
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..... I didn't want to comment too soon as I was kind of shocked when I saw it and wanted to give it a while to sink in. Well, I think its sunk in and I still dont like it at all. In a nut shell: Too young looking Too good looking (in a Hollywood cliche kind of way) Too human looking I am all for dwarf diversity but at least it has to be in the same ball park. Thorin (and Kili) IMHO are so non-dwarven in their appearance that I fear it could be a huge distraction and take me right out of the movie. Hopefully the phrase "hot dwarves" wont be on my mind the whole movie.
- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Jul 18 2011, 8:10pm
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Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster
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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea
Jul 18 2011, 8:19pm
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Who's to say that by the 15th age, the descendants of Middle-earth won't have discovered space travel? I always thought the technology in Star Trek seemed a little bit "magical".
I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Jul 18 2011, 8:29pm
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See, this is my only beef with you, as wondeful a poster as you are. The Tolkien fandom doesn't have one collective mind that would share the same opinions and imaginations. While you are allowed to have all the opinions you have, and make all the arguments you can come up with, you can't say that your opinion is the only definitive truth that all else must bow to. So being left out of this ambigious "we" really kind of hurts my feelings. When I read the Hobbit for the first time, I imagined Thorin with black or graying black long beard and hair, and strong, noble, hard and dry features complete with the noble Roman nose. It's an image much closer to Howe's painting than the Michelin Man that is Gimli, mostly inspired by my dreams of the old Scandinavians and their mythology that inspired Tolkien too. Nice comparision between Thorin and Theoden, btw. Though I'd wonder if Denethor would be a closer comparison. There doesn't seem to be much love lost between Thorin and Gandalf, at least from Thorin's side.
Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster
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Garfeimao
Rohan
Jul 18 2011, 8:31pm
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Yes, it's clear that Richard, like most other actors, is willing to change hair color, cut hair for length or wear a wig, and all other manner of body changes in order to better portray a character. And thank you very much for those links, the fashion spread was most enjoyable.
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